Recommendations for someone who isn't a "serious shooter."

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Why does everyone want to turn casual people into hardened gunfighters?

That’s a huge turn off.

The OP asked “Hey what’s a good gun suggestion for a guy who isn’t really into guns and just wants something for the house and maybe to hit the range every so often?”

And people are giving loadouts and suggestions to go to Thunder Ranch blah blah blah.

Lol no. An NRA class is actually good advice. He will learn how to load, unload, get a good base line on weapons handling, and feel competent in weapons safety. That is the key. Nobody wants something they think will just go off in their face.

Replace the OP with “I know a guy who wants a car and has never driven. What should he get?” And you wouldn’t say “He needs a Ferrari/Porsche/Mustang Cobra”. A Honda Accord. Duh.

“I know a guy who wants to do light snorkeling. What should he get?”

He needs a Draeger and Nitrox!!! Come on.....

Also lol at being a police because you like guns

If you like listening to people’s sob stories and writing reports all day maybe. Maybe.

A Glock is fine. Maybe a decent AR and a few magazines if he really wants one.

Sheesh

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Excellent points, a building-blocks "start with basics and then build out as situation warrants" has usually worked better with normies than trying to go from zero straight to Wyatt Earp in my modest experience--and even Earp himself used to counsel those who sought his secrets to focus on getting the basics right through large amounts of repetition. :)

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Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe

Training?

Go play airsoft with some experienced players. You think you know "how to shoot?" You're going to learn some humility on the two-way shooting range.

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Airsoft is like a watergun fight where people do things that they would never do in real life against real guns.

Also, there is very little carryover between airsoft and real firearms in terms or recoil control.

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Originally Posted by Ed L.

Airsoft is like a watergun fight where people do things that they would never do in real life against real guns.

Also, there is very little carryover between airsoft and real firearms in terms or recoil control.

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So the challenge is to make getting hit hurt... like every time you get hit you have to buy a beer for EVERYBODY. Just spitballing an idea...

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Originally Posted by Ed L.

Airsoft is like a watergun fight where people do things that they would never do in real life against real guns.

Also, there is very little carryover between airsoft and real firearms in terms or recoil control.

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There's some truth in all this. But you learn things, when other people are trying to shoot you, that you'd never learn on a firing line or even a carbine course.

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Originally Posted by Ed L.

Airsoft is like a watergun fight where people do things that they would never do in real life against real guns.

Also, there is very little carryover between airsoft and real firearms in terms or recoil control.

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Interesting

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B2VTAFc...=1bu16ork4vtmb


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Originally Posted by jpmuscle

Interesting

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B2VTAFc...=1bu16ork4vtmb


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Let's ass-u-me that the Haley family may do airsoft a little differently than Zeb and Jethro from down the holler a lil ways. Or, on the other hand, maybe they just do it for fun, not ninja training.

Yes, you can do some degree of useful force-on-force with paintball, but the average joe isn't likely to.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Let's ass-u-me that the Haley family may do airsoft a little differently than Zeb and Jethro from down the holler a lil ways. Or, on the other hand, maybe they just do it for fun, not ninja training.

Yes, you can do some degree of useful force-on-force with paintball, but the average joe isn't likely to.

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This is true no doubt.

Admittedly some of the best UoF and team training I’ve gone through used simunitions and to a lesser extent the shock vest stuff (like it works but eh). Point being “assuming” your partnered up with skill oriented folks a lot can be gleamed from running around with gas charged BB shooters.

So to simply right off airsoft as some [emoji304] LARPing masturbation is short sighted imo under some circumstances.


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I think Airsoft is perfect as a simulation tool for curated FoF scenarios/drills where the goal is working a defined skill. Running around playing tag is fun but ultimately gamed out even when simunitions are used.

Keeping the goal short and defined helps to keep focus. "Huckleberry" close contact reaction drills are very short and perfect for Airsoft. Wear face pro though [emoji39]

Dennis.


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To get back on track, good advice to new shooters was "Just get a Colt 6920."

Tomorrow if somebody asked, I suppose I'd tell them to take a look at BCM or LMT.