Dueling Tree as Competition

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08-30-21, 02:38
FromMyColdDeadHand

Dueling Tree as Competition

My son and I have been using a rimfire 22 Dueling 6 paddle tree and our AR-15/22s and have a hoot of a time. We call it “GUNFIGHT” since it is kind of interactive and involves a balance of speed and accuracy. I was wondering if anyone has set up competitors where you’d have people go head to head and then have winner and losers brackets so people would get to shoot multiple times and you’d end up people competing against people more their skill level.
My son and I run a two mag limit and that is usually enough, but I could see two fast, comparable shooters not ever getting a three target advantage, but I guess if you limited the round count, you’d end up with someone with at least more targets turned.
My son does cheat and say that I didn’t win sometimes ;). Seems it wouldn’t be that hard to make electrical contacts on the paddles so that you’d complete a circuit when they were all flipped to one side. But how would you wire a light or something to stay lit if after one side was complete a round flipped one away? Any thoughts on that?

I got 5k rounds in last month, so I got some ammo to use. Centerfire for practice or fun gets expensive quick. I think it could be an interesting competition. A few bays set up, or even on the same line. Hopefully it would increase the shooting-time to standing-around-time. Each Head2head lasts about a minute. Just wondering how you’d set up brackets to get everyone an equal chance to shoot.

Steel doesn’t lie.

A twelve target array and have two-shooter teams….
08-30-21, 17:29
ndmiller

I've been spending more and more time shooting steel at the outdoor range I belong to one the last couple of years, Pistol Plate Racks & Rifle Torso and Silhouette. Need to look up that 22 dueling tree, my daughter would find that very fun indeed.
08-30-21, 17:48
FromMyColdDeadHand

I’ve have the Action Target one now and it is pretty good. I had an MGM target. The stand on the action is tripod, and I put a wing nut on the forward leg so I can loosen it, fold it, and stow it in the back of a Yukon. Great times.

Speed loader for 22lr mags is a key- unless you want to slow down…
http://www.mcfaden.com/McFadden-Mach...der-s/1828.htm
08-30-21, 19:59
Diamondback

Maybe set up the paddles so they have one circuit fire a relay or solenoid to complete the light circuit, then you have to manually reset the relay before the next round?
08-30-21, 22:33
FromMyColdDeadHand

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Originally Posted by Diamondback

Maybe set up the paddles so they have one circuit fire a relay or solenoid to complete the light circuit, then you have to manually reset the relay before the next round?

Yaaaaa, I’m electronics dumb. Runs in my family, my Dad electrocuted me twice when we were working on house electric. So I get that the solenoid actuates with electric current. Is there a turn key unit that would show left or right circuit complete, and then a reset button?
08-30-21, 23:11
Diamondback

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Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Yaaaaa, I’m electronics dumb. Runs in my family, my Dad electrocuted me twice when we were working on house electric. So I get that the solenoid actuates with electric current. Is there a turn key unit that would show left or right circuit complete, and then a reset button?

I have a friend who's an electronics expert who's looking into that, but thinks it wouldn't be too hard to design and build from scratch. Right now what I'm thinking would be a simple microprocessor comparison circuit with something like... sorry, gonna get nerdy here...

Dunno if this comes through as readable and my handwriting sucks diarrheic ass, but it should give some idea of the logic circuit design. Basically, unless we can find a chip with six inputs on a single AND gate, we're stuck forming five gates into a "logic tree" for each side.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...830_221021.jpg
Each "tree" leads to a Normally Open switch (think a circuit breaker in reverse, where trigger input flips the switch closed until reset rather than open) that then turns on a light--I suggest say Red for Right and Blue for Left.

Man, I miss Radio Shack right now... heck, even Fry's.
08-30-21, 23:47
shadowrider

I shot bowling pin matches that were double elimination using an online bracket site. It was pretty cool as we could see the results as we went along on our phones.
08-31-21, 10:28
taliv

i used dueling trees in my sniper/field matches... at like 350 yards. informally with friends at 500. lots of fun
09-01-21, 17:21
FromMyColdDeadHand

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Originally Posted by Diamondback

I have a friend who's an electronics expert who's looking into that, but thinks it wouldn't be too hard to design and build from scratch. Right now what I'm thinking would be a simple microprocessor comparison circuit with something like... sorry, gonna get nerdy here...

Dunno if this comes through as readable and my handwriting sucks diarrheic ass, but it should give some idea of the logic circuit design. Basically, unless we can find a chip with six inputs on a single AND gate, we're stuck forming five gates into a "logic tree" for each side.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...830_221021.jpg
Each "tree" leads to a Normally Open switch (think a circuit breaker in reverse, where trigger input flips the switch closed until reset rather than open) that then turns on a light--I suggest say Red for Right and Blue for Left.

Man, I miss Radio Shack right now... heck, even Fry's.

Dude, that's like talking to your dog about particle physics...

At this point I think I'll just use a car battery and when you complete your side, it shocks the other guy....

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Originally Posted by taliv

i used dueling trees in my sniper/field matches... at like 350 yards. informally with friends at 500. lots of fun

I've done that with my son with 22lr at 200 yards. He CLEANS my clock with his CZ455. We spent a LOT of time on fun-for-mentals when I got him into shooting. He shoots his CZ455 at distance faster than most people shoot their 10/22s.
09-01-21, 17:29
Diamondback

My buddy found a better circuit...
https://www.electrical4u.com/wp-cont...ng:webp/ngcb37
https://www.electrical4u.com/latching-relay/
You'd basically build two of these circuits with a shared (B2) reset button, each circuit having two (B1) pushbuttons per paddle, one tripping from each side. If all six make contact on one side for even a fraction of a second, bam, Light On for that side.