ATF: 423M guns in America, 1.2 per person, 8.1B rounds of ammunition a year

Thank you. Preach.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

I think we can do better if we all focus and double down.

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I agree. Come on guys, we’re slacking here!

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Originally Posted by Firefly

I feel the same way about my killing sticks

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Fly; you my homie from another county.

Swing through and I'll show you some sports that increase killing power 60% of the time every time.

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Originally Posted by 223to45

And last year alone, the arms industry produced 8.1 billion rounds of ammunition.

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That is just commercial ammo and the amount is already large enough to be incomprehensible.
Wonder how big the quantity gets if privately loaded ammo is heaped on top of that.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

I think we can do better if we all focus and double down.

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Hey. I'm pulling my weight here. And then some.


This whole thread has left me with a big smile. Finally some statistics I can get behind.

If on average each round is an inch long, 8,100,000,000 divided by 12 divided by 6250 is 108,000 miles.


Sooooo, laid end-to-end that would be 40 lines between LA and NYC....

Sure, guns are the problem.

Sooo, 423,000,000, on average are 2 feet long, between shotgun, rifles and handguns. That is 135,000 miles laid down end to end...

Let's just say Yamamoto had gone crazy and had invaded the West Coast, with that number of guns, with that spacing, you could have between Seattle and LA 120 parallel lines of resistance.

We have 132 guns per square mile in the lower 48 states.

There are 12,000 homicides per year with firearms. That means that the likelihood that any gun is used in a murder is 0.002%.... And that doesn't count that a lot of murders are multiple deaths- you know that 'epidemic' of school shootings.... so it is even lower. (Check that math, I always lose track of the decimal point on ratios to fractions.)

If 50% of people own a gun, and there are 8,000 or so people who use a gun to kill someone, the chances a gun owner will be a murderer this year is about 0.004%. Sure, gun owners in general are the problem.

But sure, after realizing what all those numbers mean people still think that guns are the problem.

If guns were the problem, there wouldn't be any problem.

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Originally Posted by Rifleman_04

We do ourselves no favors by calling semiauto rifles of any kind “modern sporting rifles”. Non of my personally owned carbines are for sporting purposes.

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That's a war we'll never win. First off they don't give a damn what you call it, if it's scary looking it's evil. And if we engage in word games, like "it's a Colt Sporter and not an AR-15" then they will say we don't call it an AR-15 because even we know something is wrong with it.

So it's an AR, a AK, a HK and a FAL. If you want a generic term, modern practical carbine. I used to like the sound of SURs, but sport utility rifle still has the word "sport" in it.

Anyone know how many suppressors are in civilian hands versus military?

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

That is just commercial ammo and the amount is already large enough to be incomprehensible.
Wonder how big the quantity gets if privately loaded ammo is heaped on top of that.

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Shhhhhhhh

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Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Anyone know how many suppressors are in civilian hands versus military?

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This article says 1.3 million suppressors in 2017, an increase of 400K from the year before: https://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-de...y-used-crimes/

Maybe 100,000 of those are military?