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SIG 516
what are your thoughts?
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SIG 516
what are your thoughts?
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Did they sign some kind of contract with Troy Industries?
That is exactly what is missing from the AR15 market... not.
I guess they hope to capitalize on the SIG name to sell rifles. Now a 55x series type upper for a AR lower, that might be interesting.
Ultra gay and lame especially with the billet lower. They just can't get it figured out.
Releasing a 7" gun proves further they don't have a clue.
Wow. What the hell is going on over at SIG. Just make the SG551 and stop being stupid. And that shitty mag is still part of the deal.
Is this a concession that the 556 was a stupid idea? If you can beat em, join em, type thing...
Here is more info:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w..._15_m4-tfb.jpgQuote:
The SIG516 Tactical Rifle line has three different models:
* SIG516 PDW : 7" barrel. A personal defense weapon (pictured above).
* SIG516 CQB : 10" barrel. A Colt M4 Commando equvelent.
* SIG516 BASELINE CARBINE : 14.5" barrel. A M4 Carbine equvelent.
* SIG516 Patrol. 16" barrel.
* SIG516 Tactical Marksman: 16" barrel A squad level sniper / designated marksmen rifle.
* SIG516 Precision Marksman: 20" barrel. Possibly a true sniper rifle, or designated marksmen rifle.
They are all piston operated and feature an adjustable gas regulator like the Ruger SR-556.
Who the hell cares? where is this, that's what I want to know?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lorkaSG551.jpg
A 551 would be nice.
Ooooooooh! Now I can finally match my AR to my handgun! ;)
My guess is that they were starting to get some market feed back that SW could sell them M&P handguns and AR rifles in package deals. If that is true, I wonder how Glock will respond? Just a guess on my part.
Another day, another AR manufacture...I guess this shows how much faith Sig has in their 556 rifles.
At least they didn't dress this one from the Tapco catalog.
Options are rarely a bad thing.
I'd like to see who their subs are, and how they fit in the chart.
Maybe its the stock and the Ergo grip, but it looks kinda LMT MRPish to me. I'm still curious to see how its put together.
This was at a recent gun show here, I believe he was asking in the $8-9,000 range, new, unfired, with the original box. Maybe closer to 10K, can't remember exactly.
What DOES interest me about this is the optic. I'm curious if the mount cowitnesses at all and if not, are the irons still usable.
Trijicon, release the RMR mounts already. Geez.
"My guess is that they were starting to get some market feed back that SW could sell them M&P handguns and AR rifles in package deals. If that is true, I wonder how Glock will respond?"
Good question. My hopes are; polymer pistol from Austria teamed with a polymer rifle from Austria. Steyr AUG, Baby! Yeah!
Well after my less than pleasant experiences with my 2 SIG 556 (thankfully gone now), and my current NIB, recent manufacture .40 S&W P229R (rust on some fire control parts, abnormal wear on barrel), I'm not coming within 5 feet of this.... IMHO, way better choices (Colt, Noveske, LMT, DD, etc.) available if I were to be in the M4 market again.
Thanks,
Jess
I hate the shoddy furniture on the 556, but once you put a 551 handguard and a decent stock on it, what is the allure of the original 551 over the 556? The proprietary rock-and-lock mags? The lack of a standard rail? The inability to mount a stock that's LOP adjustable? The extra pound or so of weight? The enormously overrated diopter sights?
I'll concede that the actual cost of a 556 is $400+ higher once you purchase all the accoutrements, but after that it's superior to the 551.
WOW, how about tuning the sig556 instead.
Put the charging handle on the left side, easier to reach mag release, among other concerns.
Instead, they bring out another AR.
Nothing innovative. Fix the 556 and drive on. Stupid.
I'm sure the Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse crowd will absolutely drool.
Who isn't getting into the AR business now? That list seems to get shorter every day. The market is simply saturated now with AR brands. SIG must be gambling that they can leverage their LE pistol sales into LE carbines sales, but that seems a risky bet considering the plethora of ARs that have hit the market over the past three years.
The only benefit I can see - those taking a class at Sig Arms academy with loaner weapons will be able to use an AR platform instead of 556.
Sweet jeeheezus! *sigh* I'll take an HK (416/MR556) long before I touch a SIG AR. Where oh where are the 551 and 552's? I prefer a SIG that is a legitimate SIG (as a dedicated design) even if they were made locally. I'll just keep dreaming...
I really don't understand why Sig won't just build the guns that people want.
How many times has the phrase, or a variation of the phrase, "What I really want is a Sig 551/552." been uttered here or on other forums?
I bet is a whole hell of a lot more than, "Gee, these AR's are ok, but what would really make it dance is the word 'Sig' written on the side."
I have a SIG X-Five Tactical and I love it. The problem is that it isn't set-up right for USPSA and as far as I can tell it is just slightly too big for IDPA. With just a little tweaking, I think they could have had a real winner, but now it is just an oddity. If you don't make the guns competitive or legal for matches your marketing dept has something really wrong with it.
What's next from the marketing geniuses at Sig? A piston AR to compliment their 556 and ARs? ACOG clones made in China with the Sig Tactical name on them? This is getting ridiculous, a dilution of a once proud brand name.
Y'all should read the ongoing discussion on SigForum. If they are pissed, the single loudest fanbase for Sig products, I think that tells you how well this'll go.
Common phrases include:
- A Sig AR? Come the hell on.
- Where's my damn 551?
- Fix the abortion that is the 556.
- Fix the quality issues on your pistols.
- Sig innovation at its finest.
Good job Sig. :rolleyes:
-B
Sig needs to get back to basics and provide a U.S. compliant SG 551. That is what everyone wants. Instead they give us the 556 which from the start was a mistake. They at least have the Classic version out, but I still wish they would just have used the standard Sig 551 stock instead of that collabsible thing.
Sig use to be known for quality, I don't think that is the case anymore.
I thought I'd put everyone's minds at ease and show them proof that Sig is listening to the American gun buying public.
I give you the Sig Golden Dragon and the Scandic Blue. Either one can be YOURS for a little over $3k!
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/cata...n-detail-L.jpg
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/cata...L-Detail_L.jpg
Ohh, two dragons!
While we certainly didn't NEED another AR manf, it will only serve to further depress prices. Hopefully we will see pre-obama-scare prices by x-mas. :rolleyes:
"I thought I'd put everyone's minds at ease and show them proof that Sig is listening to the American gun buying public.
I give you the Sig Golden Dragon and the Scandic Blue. Either one can be YOURS for a little over $3k!"
Apparently the American gun buying public that SIG Arms is listening to is the blinged-out, gansta-rap, crack dealing, street corner thugs driving H2 hummers with Dub rims, now they'll have pistols to match their rides.
They must not have fired that guy from Kimber yet. Too bad.
I would like one with flames and skulls painted on, and an MP3 player, needs to have a rail so I can mount speakers on it.
Since this is still in the AR General Discussion forum, let's keep it on topic.
I guess this is a clear indication that SIG will be offering gold plated selector switches and triggers aand burlwood grips as options on their soon to market ARs. Wow, what a plan to capture market share.
Poor marketing aside, that is a lot of hatred towards a gun that nobody has tested. Jumping the gun, eh?
I don't plan on buying one, I am happy with Colt, but I also love Sig handguns. I am fairly confident that a Sig AR will at least be a quality production, even if it is not what the market wants.
Which I am not convinced of.