If you have one, how do you like it? Practical or toy?
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If you have one, how do you like it? Practical or toy?
I say it's an inexpensive toy. I have been tossing around building an 870 version. It would be more practical if someone came up with a 000 buckshot spreader load that would open up to 10-12 inches @ 12-15 feet.
It's more of a toy or special purpose gun. I bought mine with the intention of one day F1'n it to an SBS.
That said I wouldn't want to be on the other end of one for sure.
If you are on the fence, I say buy it, if you don't like it you shouldn't have any trouble selling it
I don't have a Mossberg 590,but it's on my wish list,may in the next three to four months.
I've been thinking of buying one for the Tax refund fun gun, although really a $300 pistol grip Mossberg500 is essentially the same and cheaper. I've had a M500 once (Mariner model) with a folding stock. It was a good cheap HD weapon, but I've since moved to a semi-auto shotgun for HD (Saiga12 with 10rd mags).
Cheapest I've seen them is $389 at Buds. If its goes down to $350 later on maybe I'll pick one up.
I said its essentially the same, not exactly the same.
There is nothing mall ninja about the factory Mossberg500 pistol grip that it comes with. Ive used it many times in stock form with no issues. Both models can be fired one-handed or 2handed. A 4" barrel difference is not much more really.
Here is a factory M500 pistol grip. Have you not seen or fired one? I owned 2 different models, the black one below (7+1), and a Mariner model (5+1) with the standard stock which I converted to the ATI folding stock.
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My vote is "toy".
The intimidation factor is through the roof granted, but have you actually shot a 12 ga. pistol grip at speed, with OO Buck and been pleased with the results?
From the perspective of hits on target and on the shooters end?
Shotguns have stocks for a reason.
SBS starter kit.
Just add a stamp and a 12" LOP hogue stock.
I'd love to have a Shockwave, but Oklahoma Law prevents it without NFA paperwork. :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2014 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
§21-1289.18
Specifically "A. 'Sawed-off shotgun' shall mean any firearm capable of discharging a series of projectiles of any material which may reasonably be expected to be able to cause lethal injury, with a barrel or barrels less than eighteen (18) inches in length, and using either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion."
Overall length doesn't even get a chance to factor into the equation. :(
Toy.
I have a soft spot for fun toys.
I have one with the opsol clip.
Works fine.
And I have had a 500 with pistol grip for almost thirty years.
The point about it not being all that different, just a little handier is pretty accurate.
I am not saying one under the front seat would be useless, not more than a SA 45LC under the seat would be useless.
Yes, my state law has the same assertion, but, and here is the key the words OR less than 26" in total length. And that is the "loophole" used by Mossberg and Remington to roll out their pseudo-short barreled shotguns, and because it is not equipped with or designed to be used with a shoulder stock.
Picked mine up last night, found an old surefire forend in a box. Going to try and fit it today.
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Thought about one of these myself just to try.
Did the measurements and found that an 18.5 in 500/870 with a pistol grip seems to be within an inch or two of a 14.5 in barrel and Raptor grip. (about 28 inches vs 26.5 inches)
Decided to pass.
The best reason to get one of these is because your going to SBS it.
Unfortunately it will not work, these have a short action and the tube is not long enough.
I went a head and stippled the grip tonight, it is MUCH better now.
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Generally, I've heard of guys wanting them for 'truck' shotgun and/or just for fun.
As far as shooting them - most of the slings I've seen mounted are not, IMO, ideally configured for use with the weapon. This configuration is the only one for which I would use a single point sling.
The sling should allow you to raise the shotgun as if you are mounting it into the shoulder. The sling should be taut with the support arm fully extended - pressure forward with the support hand/arm, slight pull back with the strong arm/hand and there you go, should be just about as accurate as from the shoulder.
That is essentially the way I have found works best for me when using a full stocked shotgun with a single-point sling. In that case the recoil pad of the stock just lightly touches the shoulder.
This is also pretty similar to the end result of using the HK three-point sling to achieve their sling tensioned CQB stance.
BTW as soon as I find a Remington TAC 14 available locally, I'm getting one, just for fun.
It will be longer? LOL plus you can shoulder it.
Its not a "fighting shotgun", but it doesn't appear as useless as one would think. I'm thinking of getting one, semi-compact and handy, definitely requires technique...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8&t=520s
The total length added will be less than 4.5 in because you can use a regular pistol grip. A regular pistol grip doesn't add the lenght the Shockwave grip does.
So with an 18.1 inch barrel you add 4.1 inches to the barrel but take away a little over 2 inches from the grip end. So an 18 inch pump with pistol grip is only about two Inches longer than the Shockwave.
Might as well do that or put a folding stock on it. A lousy feeling stock that folds is better than no stock at all imo.
Helpful article in American Rifleman online offering a simple explanation of why these can be purchased without all the NFA paperwork and tax stamp:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...590-shockwave/
I was working on a 18.5" 870 Shockwave before the Mossberg came out. I was inspired by Brownells publication which had a 18-20" 870 with a Surefire light fore end and a Shockwave. Overall, my 18.5" option is usable enough that my home defense shotgun has the Shockwave grip and a long tube.
Downsides include the length - four extra inches to bang into stuff. Also four inches longer for a bad guy to grab, which is a minor concern in my home defense use case. It also has no stock to brace against the body for a one handed hold, such as opening a door, especially a pull towards you door.
The extra weight cuts both ways, soaking up recoil but feels obviously less balanced. The ergonomics of the Shockwave are awesome for recoil management, but I find it near impossible to hold and point the shotgun with one hand, unlike a traditional pistol grip. Maybe I just need to workout more, but not a one hand gun to shoot.
Recoil is manageable in the 12ga, even with 3inch buck. Low recoil rounds were surprisingly manageable. I did get complacent in one testing session with a load of birdshot and trying to cycle at speed. The receiver brushed my nose when I did not have enough forward and downward pressure on the fore end/pump. Close call, but happy I did not end up like one YouTubed guy who got a face full of gun with blood to boot.
Suarez has a lot to say about the use of this type of shotgun. As usual, it is far from politically correct. After playing around with this concept, I think he has some well reasoned outcomes. He talks a lot about using #4 for certain outdoor uses, which resulted in reminding me why nearly all of law enforcement moved from #4 - the pattern is wide from a cylinder barrel.
There's still the grip angle of the shockwave, and smaller top-to-bottom dimension compared to a "common" scattergun pistol grip, that I find appealing.
I've shot a tube of #8 and 00 through a PGO Persuader, and it didn't feel all that good - but hip-firing (I know, I know... I was 18 and had never fired a real gun before that day) a standard stock was much more comfortable.
All I'm saying is that overall length is important, but width (such as a carry pistol) and height shouldn't be disregarded. A PGO shotgun with a slim and narrow profile has its uses and I'm just wondering if even if my state won't allow a <18" barrel, the Shockwave grip still has merit, limited though that merit may be.
I put a Shockwave on my 18.5 barrel and have tried to wring it out well. To aim accurately, I think Clint Smith's advice and approach is certainly well recommended. There may be a place for the "speed rock", waist level type type of aiming a Shockwave gun, but it did not seem sufficiently accurate to me.
Sighting down the barrel strikes me as more responsible should I have a social use as well, as in more likely to strike the target. At 15 yards, Federal flight control low recoil 00 had a three inch pattern out of a cylinder barrel. My opinion is that narrow of a pattern demands a fairly precise aiming. I did find several other loads open up more significantly than the flight control, but I will not be hip firing those either.
I do picture myself as a 1980's action star when firing from the hip and I have a danger zone that fans out like a claymore.
Does this have a better utility for defense than good training and practice with a handgun of the user's choice?
Might make a good bear gun.