I always preferred the 135gr Cor-Bon load back in the 90s.
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I always preferred the 135gr Cor-Bon load back in the 90s.
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Hornady made a pretty hot load in that range - for .40 and for 10mm, as I recall.
Yeah depending on what ballistic theories you bought into it was an explosive round but with shallow[er] penetration.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoo95
I would equate 90's tech bullets as follows:
9mm lightweight = 115gr, .40 lightweight = 135gr
9mm middleweight = 124gr, .40 midweight = 155gr
9mm heavyweight = 147gr, .40 heavyweight = 180gr
What's notable for duty loads today is that 9mm 115gr is hardly seen much anymore, nor is .40 135gr or 155gr. The biggest duty loads seem to be 147gr > 124gr for 9mm, and 180gr for .40. While subsonic 147gr and 180gr bullets used to be rather blah, with modern bullet technology they apparently are the way to go.
The "mid-range" .40 S&W offerings are what moved me toward the 180gr choices. To me, the 155-165gr loadings lived up to the "snappy" adjective that some folks like to use when speaking of .40 S&W recoil. In my hands, the Hornady 155XTP and some now forgotten 165FMJFP topped the chart when run through my old Gen2 G23. As an aside, the 155STHP offering seemed quite tame when compared to those two loads.
Keith
The ones I remember were the Winchester Silvertip, Federal Hydrashock, PMC Starfire, and Winchester Talon. The Silvertip was a holdover from the 80s, the others were the first attempts to meet the FBI terminal performance protocols. I think the Remington Golden Saber came along a few years later. Most of these did well in bare gel but not as well in any of the other tests.
Here’s a link to an old American Rifleman article that discusses the then new FBI ammunition studies and has a table of some results. It’s interesting that back then, the 9mm rounds did poorly, which is why we all went out and bought 10s and 40s. Now the 9mm has caught up in penetration and has the advantage in recoil, capacity, and pistol longevity over the 10 and 40.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...bi-ammo-tests/
Speer 155 grain Gold Dot has a listed muzzle velocity of 1200fps. These were the first self defense rounds I carried in my Glock 23. For what it’s worth, they always seemed less snappy than their 180 grain counterparts in my opinion.
My department just switched our 9mm duty round from the 124+P Gold Dot to the new Winchester Ranger One 147 grain. The new Ranger One is the 147 Ranger Bonded with a blue polymer insert in the hollow point to help prevent clogging.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABNAK
My entire 14 year career (up until 2018ish) the standard issue service gun has been a Glock 22 loaded with 180 HST. It does have more recoil than the Glock 17 but the 180 HST has been an outstanding bullet in our gunfights. Has worked well through car body and windshields. I haven't seen or heard of any shootings where the bullet didn't perform as expected.
Well said Mister, +1 here thinking just like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
Same here, it was suppose to theoretically mimic the much vaunted 125gr .357.Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoo95