Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and

I don't know what the quality of the work is on this vaccine, but if we get it next Spring, that's a year.
It just doesn't happen that fast
I think I will keep an eye on the results for a year or two.

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Originally Posted by davidjinks

I read what you wrote. Spin it however you want.....

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Suffice to say you read it but didn't get it. I thought my meaning would be obvious, I guess it wasn't.

I wrote exactly:

"I sorta wish sometimes the government had the right to forcibly vaccinate people, but they don't."

If I didn't want it to actually happen, I would have said "the government should have the right" not "I sorta wish" and then pointed out they actually don't have the right. I can understand how that statement by itself might be misunderstood.

Then I wrote:

"They should have the right to deny all services to anyone who isn't vaccinated."

And this I believe, but again I said services and YOU substituted liberty which is something completely different.

I then ended with:

"Dershowitz is a real POS."

And that should have really cleared things up, because I completely disagree with Dershowitz's opinion. No spin needed, just comprehension. If something wasn't completely clear my very next post should have clarified everything. And you could have simply asked instead of changing words, etc.

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Originally Posted by markm

I agree in that Polio, Measels, etc. are all "real" diseases. There's so much lies and propaganda surrounding the election year "Rona".... F@#K NO, would I get an injection for an unknown "virus".

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That is also an important distinction.

If we are talking about getting vaccinated for known and preventable viruses but some idiot chooses not to because he believes internet conspiracy crap that is one I have a problem with.

But unproven, untested or largely unreliable...that is something else entirely.

https://youtu.be/JSbT7JVNEU4

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Originally Posted by ryanm

@univibe

What are the specific reasons you are citing here preventing vaccination? Every vaccine is different, you can’t just say I’m allergic to needles. Even if a person does have an allergy to a component of a vaccine, that can be treated.

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There are people with an intolerance to vaccinations, e.g. certain autoimmune syndromes.

We seem to be heading backwards. Smallpox, polio, whooping cough, red measles. These were not annoyances; they used to take a terrible toll on people, particularly the young.

People like Pasteur, Salk and Sabin were hailed as heroes when their vaccines reduced these scourges to bad memories.


Now we fall for whatever Qanon and Hollywood actresses peddle as medical advice.

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Originally Posted by Averageman

I don't know what the quality of the work is on this vaccine, but if we get it next Spring, that's a year.
It just doesn't happen that fast
I think I will keep an eye on the results for a year or two.

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The H1N1 vaccine of 2009 was fast. Early April 09 CDC starts work on vaccine. August 15th FDA announced approval for 4 vaccines. October 5th first doses given in the US. Nov 16th approval for 5th vaccine. Dec 18th first 100 million doses available for ordering

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Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe

There are people with an intolerance to vaccinations, e.g. certain autoimmune syndromes.

We seem to be heading backwards. Smallpox, polio, whooping cough, red measles. These were not annoyances; they used to take a terrible toll on people, particularly the young.

People like Pasteur, Salk and Sabin were hailed as heroes when their vaccines reduced these scourges to bad memories.


Now we fall for whatever Qanon and Hollywood actresses peddle as medical advice.

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And on this we agree.

Fauchi was a hero in the 1988 presidential debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9416786.html

https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-r...rpetrate-fraud

I understand the necessity for some vaccines, MMR and so on. Having said that, no vaccine should be mandatory past basic inoculations as a child, and even those should be spaced out. My body, my choice, right?

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Originally Posted by Honu

considering here how many think those that do NOT GET the flu shot are dangerous irresponsible and so on ?

well I reckon many here are in favor of forced needles in arms so no surprise

my times abroad I have had dengue a few times and dysentery and giardia and a few other tropical 3rd world fun things
my doc told me if you get them deal with them in location as that is much better as they often know how to treat them than the poison the docs in the US not used to them put in you to TRY to stop them as none are guaranteed
IMHO same with flu its still a guess and really being in good shape that very few are these days is better then shots all the time

I do feel some child things that are dangerous are fine to get your kid vaccinated for but really quite simple you say NO to a vaccine then no insurance should cover the treatment it would all be out of pocket for the folks

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I had giardia, but not third world: San Diego. I also had cholera, and I had the vaccine.

I get the flu vaccine because my boss tells me I have to. If my institution did not require it, I probably wouldn't. The whole risk management matrix and all.

Also deciding what vaccines should/should not be mandatory is a slippery slope of power grabbing vs personal/parental authority. My kids have some vaccines, but not all vaccines. They will not get a CV vaccine.