New Data Suggest Florida Cops Have Broad Power to Take Away People's 2nd Amendment

" We're one of them", Lol. Ya got me. In 25 years I took a lot of weapons away from some very bad people, and ton of crazy Folk. No regrets.


Look I know my positions unpopular. And frankly should be. What exactly have EACH of you done to solve the issue, other then piss and moan. You written, email, or call your legislature in the past year, week, month?. Statistics, are available nationally. Married abuse killings, mentally ill killings, criminals killing. And yes even good men and women placed in impossible positions. Frankly some for the right reasons.

What have each of you done to solve the problem, personally or professionally? Or is my question " unfair, or perhaps racist?

What amuses me most about m4 carbine is this, you all, got all the answers. Like wrestling a pig in a poop pile. I'm in, perhaps, just maybe I might hear someone's rationale, some logic, some common sense, maybe even the truth, and a way to fix this.

Gents, some very smart men, tell us what the logical solution is. Start to finish. This isn't one stop shopping.

Do we give our law enforcement folk, the tools they need, and trust that they make solid informed choices, based on facts?

Or you all gonna continue to demonstrate your " just might be", intellectual midgets.

I warned you, I love a good food fight. Fire away boys.

Big D
Little irk

Whiskey, your a better man then this.

Dirk

With all due respect Dirk, cops like you are exactly why we oppose RF laws. You think cops should be allowed to take 2nd Amendment rights from anyone you deem unfit. We believe in Due Process where the accused have their day in court WITH representation, not some ex-parte Star Chamber decision lacking all the facts.

I have no problem with as a CA Deputy would put it, "5150 holds" and legal adjudications of mental incompetence after all the facts are entered into evidence with the accused having representation. I don't know a single 2nd Amendment supporter who does. You just want an easy button you can hit and go 10-7 without another thought about it. Sorry, we have a problem with that mentality and absolutely do not want to grant you that level of power.

As a former LEO myself, I couldn't disagree with your position more. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.

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Originally Posted by Dirk Williams

" We're one of them", Lol. Ya got me. In 25 years I took a lot of weapons away from some very bad people, and ton of crazy Folk. No regrets.


Look I know my positions unpopular. And frankly should be. What exactly have EACH of you done to solve the issue, other then piss and moan. You written, email, or call your legislature in the past year, week, month?. Statistics, are available nationally. Married abuse killings, mentally ill killings, criminals killing. And yes even good men and women placed in impossible positions. Frankly some for the right reasons.

What have each of you done to solve the problem, personally or professionally? Or is my question " unfair, or perhaps racist?

What amuses me most about m4 carbine is this, you all, got all the answers. Like wrestling a pig in a poop pile. I'm in, perhaps, just maybe I might hear someone's rationale, some logic, some common sense, maybe even the truth, and a way to fix this.

Gents, some very smart men, tell us what the logical solution is. Start to finish. This isn't one stop shopping.

Do we give our law enforcement folk, the tools they need, and trust that they make solid informed choices, based on facts?

Or you all gonna continue to demonstrate your " just might be", intellectual midgets.

I warned you, I love a good food fight. Fire away boys.

Big D
Little irk

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I keep reading your posts and names like Philip Seidle, Mitch Brailsford, and Amber Guyger come to mind and how the most dangerous factor about each wasn't that they had a firearm.

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What amuses me most about m4 carbine is this, you all, got all the answers. Like wrestling a pig in a poop pile. I'm in, perhaps, just maybe I might hear someone's rationale, some logic, some common sense, maybe even the truth, and a way to fix this.

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We don't have to have "all the answers" to recognize that your solution isn't the correct one. The exact same logic you use to support your position can and is used by the left to support any number of freedom limiting laws, from banning guns to big gulps.

I'll take my dangerous freedom of your peaceful slavery any day.

Cops like me, lol, let me ask you this glock, just what kind of cop were you?,,,,did you do your job,,,,,, Did you follow the law? Did you serve the Community? Did, you find coats and food for families in need. Did you encourage your local grub population to become productive citizens. Did you stop often and talk with the elderly in your community.

Just exactly how were you your duties different then mine

If you were a poopoo you would know, police don't create law, legislators do. Id like to here your self description of the cop you were. Also be interested in knowing how long you were a cop. If you didn't retire, then why you,left.

Sounds to me like your were a piss poor one who failed at doing your job. Hey I could be wrong, tell me how to be a good cop. I'm all ears.

Frankly after 25 years, I still don't know the answer to this simple question.

Did I make a difference for my community. Did, I do what was right, not just support rules and regulations made by dumb asses in state senate.

Dirk

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This may sound weird, but somebody needs to save these retards, ,,,,, from themselves. They are a danger to EVERYBODY aroumd them.

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Are crazy people not dangerous with a machete? Behind the wheel? With a gallon of gas? Do you honestly believe removing a firearm makes a crazy person safe to be around? I think they REMAIN a danger to everybody around them, AND red flag laws are a danger to our freedom.

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Are crazy people not dangerous with a machete? Behind the wheel? With a gallon of gas? Do you honestly believe removing a firearm makes a crazy person safe to be around? I think they REMAIN a danger to everybody around them, AND red flag laws are a danger to our freedom.

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Just goes to show attempting to reason with authoritarian Jack boots is a fruitless endeavor.


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Dirk, I want to thank you for taking some of the heat off of the minority of forum members who are not against properly written and executed red flag laws.

It seems that the major problem in Broward County is that judges generally agree with police officers who present petitions. I'd like to think that is because LEO's are doing a stellar job in establishing RS/PC to believe that the person is a threat, but unfortunately, what appears to be going on is just rubber stamping requests without much oversight.

If the Gifford folks are to be believed, though, it appears that '55 percent of the Broward County cases involved homicide threats: 48 percent involved suicide threats: and 18 percent involved both. The report describes about half a dozen cases with compelling facts. One involved an "easily agitated" young man who routinely brought guns and a "heavy workout plate" to church despite requests that he stop doing so, expressed hostility toward organized religion, and talked about committing acts of violence. Another case involved a man who owned 40 guns and "had made multiple threats about harming himself and attempting suicide." Readers (of the report) are invited to conclude that all of the cases were as clear-cut as these, which seems doubtful.

Although Florida was the subject the report does point out that respondents face better odds in some of the other states with red flag laws. Connecticut judges ordered guns returned about a third of the time in cases where the outcome was known, according to a 2014 Connecticut Law Review article (although outcomes were reported in less than 30 percent of cases). Data from Maryland indicate that respondents have a similar chance of success there. In Indiana, according to a 2015 study reported in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law, gun owners generally prevailed when they showed up for hearings. During the last 71 months covered by the eight-year study, gun owners won every contested case.

As I mentioned earlier, I'd like to believe that 'the much lower success rate for respondents in Broward County, which is consistent with statewide data for Florida, could mean that police are doing a very good job of investigating and substantiating the risks that people pose, so that judges generally do not see any reason to second-guess them. But I doubt that is the case.

And this sounds like shoddy reporting: "We don't know the screening process on the police side," Kopel notes. "Some departments may just file a petition upon any request. Others may conduct their own investigations and decide not to file."

Nonetheless, we need to find some way to make sure that folks who routinely bring guns and "heavy workout plates" to church despite requests that they stop doing so, express hostility toward organized religion, and talk about committing acts of violence get a flashlight stuck in their ear to see it all the circuits are firing.

26, like you, I also have broad shoulders, I don't mind the heat, and the children here, amuse me. Believe I've read your still active, Leo,,I understand a lot of dam good men here, are. Thank,you,for,your service, in fact thank you all for serving in your communities.

Todd, right on, you sir, are spot on. My positions not popular, their are many many things I do not like about red flag related issues. I took the time to re read our Oregon Red Flag laws last night, poorly done, which you and I know was the intent, of legislature. We are behind enemy lines here in Oregon.

Why we allow Eugene north to,call themselves " socialist' is wrong. Their not,socialists, their straight up communists. I have no illusions of where this goes. My point plan and simple is/was We The People, have a responsibility to,manage our legislatures and hold them accountable.

I DO write mine, down south here. In fact I shoot with em, introduced both to long range rifle, when they walked out this past summer. I called and volunteered to come to their ranches and guard them against any attempts to be kidnapped by OSP, and driven forthwith back to Salem and forced to be present so the " communist could have the legal number of legislatures present for the vote.

Was amused when one told leadership to,send. Young unmarried troopers, he didn't want to shoot men with families.

I also write weekly, we'll email all my representitives. It is my duty as a citizen and yours to provide input, direction.

Frankly this states broke, the south, where I hail, will never comply with draconian rules, regs. In fact we are a sanctuary county, our document was voted on and passed overwhelmingly.

The current Sheriff is an old friend, we've been in the shot a time or two together, I so,etimes worry about his fortitude, as he's a politician now, not a beat cop. He was OSP.

Red flag laws. So this is how I see this breaking down. Legislatures allowed so,e Soros/ Bloomburg groups to pen the legislation. Now it's up to us, to apply enough to pressure to,make effective change.

This is not a law that's going away, to many innocents getting killed by flakes. Also Todd,when was the first and last time you've heard of a killing via machete, in the state of Oregon?. Just trying to keep it real.

I see the a smith of redefining this law, as our Sheriffs association applying pressure on legislature. Ideally the chiefs of police aswell. I don't see that as the Chiefs work at the pleasure of city councils, who are overwhelmingly left leaning.

Sheriffs are elected, which has merit.

Muscle, your an idiot, I've read you here for awhile. My guess is you got spanked by those bad ol police mans, now you got a Boner for em. One of the loud mouths who is always angry because nobody takes you seriously. No soup for you, son. Could be wrong.

Suggestion, you want to effect positive change, get involved, quit being a tool on some web site. Be the change you want to make. It's time consuming, but it's in your best interest, to,contribute so,etching positive for a change. No doubt you know your way around the m4, I've seen solid advice from you, impressive.

And back to you police/ deputies/ fed's, I could not do the job ever again.nor,would I, he'll I'd go be a fireman, everybody loves their fireman.

Gentleman thank you all for keeping the peace. The role of a police officer/ deputy has never been harder. You are pretty much criticized for every move you make, the media is not,your friend would spit roast you in a second. When media is proven to be wrong, rarely if ever recant their damaging info, and make wrong, right.

Im disappointed by men like Muscle, Glock etc etc, whoever above said , not their job to know solutions. What a looser, what a cope out. Son, your gonna piss and moan you better be able to back your chickenshit, position. Men like me will eventually call you on it. What I'm saying is your a coward!. go stick your head in the sand, you appear to be good at it.

Nothing else to be accomplished here. That we disagree is exactly why these forums are positive. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to except the responsibility for my words, my actions, my thoughts. The buck stops here, for me. I own everything I've penned.

Mods, thank you for the oppertunity to have a voice here.

Dirk Williams