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Noodles
Ok, understood and agreed. The one thing I'm not sure about is that I might make this an irons only gun. Not sure yet, but it's a possibility for sure. Personally, I'm not really all that concerned about the pinned after seeing the Vltor test video and seeing one used on fielded military rifles.
I don't see the point in doing a Kino, removing a standard FSB, and replacing it with a folding, clamp-on, front sight. Just put a front sight on the rail, fixed or folding, and you'll save weight over any of the other options and you can put it wherever you want going foward/
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EDIT: Oh, I just re-read this. You're looking to do a 12.5" barrel with a 12 FSP, that pretty much will exclude all silencers. No?
Yes and no. Not all. But IMO silencers are a waste of training ammo and money (cue the kvetching)
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I'm with you there. An FSP is definitely a good idea for an SBR, and you're right I don't see that much. Mounting an X300 at 12 does have it's own issues though. Changing the battery or getting a QD that doesn't ride too high, getting it on and off, etc. I did a quick google and would like to the thread I found, but that's not allowed here.
You remove the light to replace the batteries. It slides off very easily.
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Quick question, do you think the an X300 mounted at 9 or 11 on the extended midlength apex guard will produce a noticeable shadow or point of light / point of impact change compared to an X300 mounted at 12? I ask because I wonder if the extended will let you put the light out further past the FSB than a standard rail would.
if it's not at 12 o'clock, I would not personally choose an X300 and would use an M300C or M600C. Both have better "throw" (I own multiple examples of all three).
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Longer handguard we are agreed on. However, I really disagree on the redundancy...
By going with a Kino setup, what you're getting over a FSP rail is ONE extra once, but also getting a fully protected actual gas block. That is, on the FSP rail, you're gas block / sight is out there to get hit and damaged. One a kino, it's fully protected by the handguard. To say redundancy implies a negative. I see difference as at worst, a lateral change, neither better or worse. Just different.
The forged FSB can crack when hit. All talk about sheering pins and clamp rotation aside, if hit hard enough, it's steel on steel to the barrel, something must give. I've seen FSB's broken during install (twice) but never one already installed. Still, there is something to be said for protecting the gas block imo.
I'm beginning to wonder what you think it is you're going to be doing with this gun. I'm not personally HALO jumping nor am I a "I break everything I touch" neanderthal either. I want shit to be strong and secure but I'm also not some Tier 1 guy deployed to secret locations. and I bet they take better care of their shit than most people on the internet pretend to anyway.
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I don't know. I've seen you mention the clips, but buying a rail with spaces I'll never use and then just putting clips on them goes against everything I believe in :D
How much weight do you have in LaRue clips? Is it more than the one once that I'm considering adding for the brazilian keno build? The Apex guard imo looks a lot better than the Troy which I have mixed feels about for various reasons (one solved with the Alpha series). Noveske, LaRue on their rifles, KAC with the URXIII, Geissele, Wilson, Troy, and even DD are all making shaved or modular rails. It really seems to me that quad rail with covered is an implementation on it's way out. I'm not saying I don't like my DD OmegaX, I do, it's just that I look at it and think "Why is this all here?" or more to the point, "why am I paying for this?" :)
so you want all this hard-use gear, but you're not going to shoot it hard, and you're letting your belief system interfere with functional use? I'm getting more and more confused.
My suggestion is that you need to drop back and punt this for a bit. One thing we learned in design school is to have a concept. What this does is allow you to evaluate all of your design decisions against that concept. If you have a strong concept, design is almost EASY compared to the dumbasses that just copies Corbusier drawings out of books.
To equate that to guns, establish an end-use. It's best if this is based on actual prior use and discovering shortcomings in your existing platform systems when employed in that use but if it's all theoretical to storming the Vatican that's fine too, at least there's a goal. When you evaluate your parts choices as you move forward you see if they fit that end-use.
Take a look at this to understand what I mean. This gun was assembled with a very specific application. As I went through and developed my list of parts I looked at all known examples of a given part and chose the one that best fit that application. It came together like a friggin' swiss watch because of this.
https://sites.google.com/site/tactic...ultralight-sbr