How do these compare to the SSA triggers?
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^^ You can't.....the only thing those two triggers have in common is that they are made for ARs.
If your not restrained by duty regs, or budget....the SSA is a superior trigger in every category. The ACT is for folks that don't have the scratch for an uber nice trigger, or are required to run mil spec triggers in duty rifles.
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Single stage all the way.
I'll be the dissenter in all the fancy-trigger love (and yes, I'm going to keep calling them "fancy" :P).
I am a fan of the GI trigger. I have never missed a shot that I blamed on the trigger* (more on that in a minute) but have missed many shots that were the fault of the shooter. With aftermarket triggers (Excluding the ALG, which I have not tried yet, or even seen on the market) I have also not encountered a fancy-trigger that I believe is robust enough to consider using that wasn't also money better spent on an equal cost in ammo and some time on the range learning how to shoot.
SBRs are, for me anyway, about close range and fast shooting. Can they be shot at distance? Certainly. We had a shooter in my 0.5 class last week that went from never having spent any time with the AR FOW to hitting A/C steel at 200 yards with an A1 profile 10.3" barrel, GI trigger, and Aimpoint T-1 (which, according to most of the internet is just physically impossible). I myself have reliably made hits on 8" steel with 11.5" A1-profile barrel and an Aimpoint Comp ML2 with GI ammo (something else the internet says is impossible)
Now to really piss you off. The fancy-trigger is a crutch. I personally believe they have a place in precision shooting, and that some who come from such a professional background or spend a lot of time doing civilian nappy-time shooting get used to that crutch and they need it, or at least want it, all the time. That doesn't mean it's not a crutch.
I also don't like the two-stage for close-range, fast shooting. Because I'm not used to the crutch, I will sometimes bobble the reset when going fast because I'm not resetting the trigger far enough, because I'm used to the GI trigger.
As to my own experience...
*Prior to the 0.5 class last weekend I had been shooting a gun for an article with a Geiselle S3G trigger in it. Since January of this year virtually all of my AR shooting has been with this gun and I'm just over 1400 rounds with it. Besides that the only rifle I've been doing has been a Winchester Model 70 which I took to a 3-day practical rifle class and put about 600 rounds through. Trigger on that frankly rivals the S3G in terms of how easy it breaks. In that 0.5 class last weekend I had occasion to shoot my BCM T&E loaner gun both up close at speed and at 100 yards for zeroing and 200 yards at the A/C steel. My performance in all cases was sub-par. I could not go as fast as I used to, nor was I as precise as I used to be. To be sure, some of this is simply that I've been focusing on handgun shooting in place of carbine this year to date, but some of that is absolutely that I got used to the crutch.
If you're ok with the crutch, and willing to install the crutch on all your guns, and willing to accept that if you need to shoot a GI trigger you may not perform as well due to being spoiled by the crutch, then by all means have at it. If you do shoot a whole slew of triggers and find that your performance is not impeded by going from the fancy-trigger to the GI then you're simply a better shooter than I am. But if that's the case, it begs the question, why would you spend all that money on a crutch you don't actually need?
To each, his own. My 6920 and 6933 have stock triggers. Never had an issue keeping up in classes. Learn where the reset is and go with it.
I need all the “crutchs” I can get to up my shooting performance.
Rob,
If we take your post and substitute “fancy triggers” for “fancy optics” would you still feel the same?:confused:
I know that if I practice mostly with optics then my performance with iron sights will suffer. I am willing to let my iron sight performance suffer for vastly better shooting I can do with optics.
Triggers fall into the exact same line of thinking. I can hit substantially faster on more challenging shots with a precise trigger and give up nothing when running full out at 5 yds on a full A-zone.
There is no way I am willing to use a poor trigger just to be used to a poor trigger.
We all are victims of our experience, but if I found myself shooting better with the SG3 trigger and found my performance worse with a standard GI trigger then I would stick with the trigger I shot better.
Re-read what I wrote.
Until I started using the crutch of the trigger I had no complaints about my performance with the stock part. It wasn't until I went BACK to the stock part that I realized how lazy the crutch had let me become.
I have not seen the same thing with optics (RDS, ACOG) as my performance is almost immediately enhanced by the "crutch" but my previous performance with irons did not suffer either.
I think the optics analogy is a red herring, frankly. I can measure my performance with irons, use optics and measure my improved performance there, and then go back to irons and measure my performance and note that it did not slip from where it was previously. My experience with triggers, however, has been that:
- Performance with stock part is "10"
- Change to aftermarket part
- Performance remains "10"
- Change back to stock part
- Performance with stock part is now "8"
To compare that to optics, notably the RDS
- Performance with stock part is "8"
- Change to aftermarket part
- Performance increases to "10"
- Change back to stock part
- Performance with stock part is still "8"
Everyone should do these checks. Don't just "feel" the part improves your performance, know it, and measure it. and set performance goals that are realistic to your own needs. If you're measuring groups at 300 yards as your performance goal and you will never have a reason to need that performance at that distance, IMO you're wasting your time at the range. If you have unlimited time and resources, or if you're there for "fun" that's something else entirely.
http://www.kyledefoor.com/2010/05/tr...d-is-good.html
http://www.kyledefoor.com/2010/06/tr...d-is-good.html
ETA measured performance optic vs. irons
2x2x2 - 2:19 vs. 2:21
1-5 - 5:58 vs. 5:42
9-Hole - 28:19, 28:32
My LMT trigger is very good. I wouldn't know what to do with something better...:)