Review of the sureFire 60 round AR magazine:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/sure...agazine-revie/
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Review of the sureFire 60 round AR magazine:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/sure...agazine-revie/
Have you experienced issues with tilting? A buddy of mine used one of these mags at the range and dropped to to see what would happen. The follower jammed up sending rounds all over the place on the inside.
When you're dealing with a mag with this capacity, it's going be be very heavy when loaded.
Common sense dictates you handle it a little more carefully since it's constructed much like the standard USGI mag.
Well sometimes being careful isn't enough. Doing hard drills in class, being in combat, being in any "dynamic" situation can cause anything to happen. The "drop" test my buddy did show that you hit the mag hard enough on a surface and it will jam.
Also I did some googling on this matter and the jamming with the follower is a common problem with this mag. A lot of people have experience jams and feeding issues when the mag isn't being babied. Also apparently SureFire has a buy back program for these mags if you aren't satisfied, it kinda tells you that the manufacturer isn't happy with the design either.
I understand. I look at the 60 rounder as something you'd stuff in your pack or vehicle. I doubt I'd run it at my primary mag. But it's a nice way to stow a lot of extra fire power near by.
lol no doubt. Have sixty extra rounds of hard candy is definitely a nice thing.
So, far, my 2 Surefire 60s have been 100%. I'm at the point where I'm confident enough that I use one as my primary mag for my work gun. This may change, though, for a few reasons. One of which is weight; my otherwise lightweight and nicely balanced gun is noticeably heavier with one loaded.
Dropping these things while loaded can apparently cause issues as noted before. IIRC, in addition to the feed lip area, the magazine base may also be prone to failure if dropped loaded. I think there was a discussion about this on Lightfighter (look for one of Pat Rogers' class reviews). The "fix" was to put a mag bumper of some sort on the bottom. The 7.62 Magpuls work well for this. I suspect that its not a 100% solution, but both of mine wear them, just in case.
They're nice, to be sure, and mine have been 100%. But, these will likely be the last I'll buy.
I know Iraqgunz and a few other high volume shooters around these boards have had good luck with the SF. Seems like a new thread pops up every month or so regarding these mags and their failures/attributes. I haven't ponied up the cash yet
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I'm still waiting for the polymer quad stack. :cray:
Surefire products are certainly expensive, but they are not ridiculous. Surefire makes products first and foremost for those who actually go into harms way. They produce goods that are designed to be used in horrendous conditions.
Let's look at their lights for example. They are machined from big chunks of aluminum. That requires expensive machines, and engineers with 10lb brains to design them. Both of those are expensive to maintain. They also pack tiny electronics inside their lights, and insulate them to resist shock. There are a ton of reasons why it's perfectly reasonable to expect a high price tag for Surefire products. There is no free lunch, good stuff costs a lot.
Surefire products may not be everyone's cup of tea, largely because of the sticker shock people experience when the see the price. That's ok. Surefire's primary customers are not people playing Peter Pan, they are people and organizations that go into harms way.
Surefire puts out excellent products. They also employ people that are great at their jobs, from the guys repping the products to the people designing them. Quality products don't come cheap. It's a sad day when the entitlement mentality creeps into what is work for some and hobbies for others.
That logic makes perfect sense - paying hundreds of dollars for a flashlight ought to ensure it's up to snuff! We shouldn't waste our time considering how much something actually costs to make, when it turns out that retail price dictates quality after all! This new way of thinking will surely revolutionize our economy.
I no longer recommend the Surefire 60 rd magazine - after initially seeing positive results I have run into countless shooters that have had problems with different guns, ammo, suppressed use, etc.
Unless they can fix it- which I seriously doubt - I put it in the gun gamer category and not for life or death use
I have thoughts like this all the time. I keep them to myself because they are provocative, not productive, add nothing to the debate and reduce the S/N ratio. If you think Surefire is too expensive, don't by their stuff. You are certainly free to say so respectfully as in "I think Surefire stuff is too expensive." leaving off the smartass stuff. Smartass remarks are not debate. This ain't junior high school son. Show a little respect please, that goes when addressing SMEs and laymen.
I dropped mine on accident one day at the range. Carrier tilted and rounds fell out. To add insult to injury a lot of sandy dirt got inside. Field stripping is a pain in the ass to say the least. Once it was wiped down and assembled correctly, it ran fine.
It really made me appreciate my trusty old PMAGS.
My two home defense mags are 20 rounds loaded with expensive ammo, one for the gun, one for the back pocket. I have also a a 60 round Surefire loaded with ball ammo, I haven't really figured out for what though. For suppressive fire I guess though the use of suppressive fire in a residential neighborhood is dubious at best and I haven't trained the other half of my fire team, my wife, on the use of suppressive fire. Bottom line, the Surefire is more of a cool thing to have than something useful.
Interesting recent feedback. I was about to get a couple...I'll just stick to PMAGS.
If I had it to do over again I would not buy the Surefire mags. Maybe just one. However, if they get banned they could be worth a nice chunk of change.
My sample of one has proven reliable and I've had no issues to speak of. I do have a 762 magpul stretched over the bottom for drop protection, which seems like a good idea(thanks to LF forum for that one).
If you're on the fence on parting with 90$ for a surefire magazine, let me say this. It's kinda heavy, and to me feels kinda gimmick-ish, but it will probably work. I've had no trouble so far. That help with anyone's decision?
I have one and it has proven itself reliable. I only use it on the range though.
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