MOE grips are good to go. As far as poly lowers, their not worth it until poly uppers come out :sarcastic:
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MOE grips are good to go. As far as poly lowers, their not worth it until poly uppers come out :sarcastic:
Poly lowers do work well for .22 LR carbines. The local gun club I belong to purchased several for the junior shooting league. The fit and finish on them was sub par for a center fire weapon but, were more than adequate for a rimfire setup.
That said, I spent most of my time while assembling these things dremeling and filing off "irregularities" and getting the uppers to fit the lowers.
Personally I'd rather they'd spent the clubs money on SW MP15-22's instead.
I guess I'll be the guinea pig for the NFA LW 15 lower. Seems no one on here has one? If it turns out to be a p.o.s like everyone says. I'll just sell it or get my money back from NFA. no big deal...
Like I said I have a surplus ammo and arms lower. I just wanted to check these out, because I read a lot of user reviews and none so far said anything bad about them. If you did find something can you show me?
Back on topic. So the moe grips are good to go then?
Yes they are. Most everything Magpul is GTG... You would think that a company invested in plastics for AR's like Magpul would build a plastic AR lower if they thought it was a good idea.
MOE should be GTG, although mine needed to have the mounting hole reamed a little bit, it was either exactly the same size or slightly smaller than the provided attachment screw.
I have one of the NFA polymer lowers that I am using for a dedicated .22lr. I got it for $42, so if it breaks, not really out much. It will be pretty much for cheap plinking at the range only. I have a MOE+ grip on mine & it went on well and fits fine. Time will tell if the lower holds up for .22 use & I think the price I paid is a reasonable price to find out.
Funnier yet, is they didn't license the song they used, and they used the one band notorious for suing anyone and everyone who even gets close to doing this.
As someone in the business, it's sad when I see people who can't bother to use or deal with royalty free music, or creative commons music.... because heck, if everyone had the option to use metallica and any other band, or soundtracks for their videos, it wouldn't take any skill to make a video, because the soundtrack makes or breaks a video (and no, not referencing their video, as gun vids like this don't take any skill to produce or edit anyways...)
In the videos on the site, they drove right over the lower receiver, right in the center of the receiver with both front and rears of an F150. Hate to say it, but driving over it with a truck will put more force on it than jumping on the lower receiver. Unless you put say a 400 or 500lb person jumping on it.
Also, the receivers weak spot on plastic or composite receivers is the R/E tunnel, and also the front of the receiver. It's not the FCG in which you are hinting to by jumping right in the middle of it.
Also, how is it a scam? How are they con artists? Are they saying it's the strongest lower on the market? Are they saying it's stronger than normal forged lowers? They are showing durability. There is 0 scam as they never said "this product is stronger than x (fill in the blank) product". Now if they said it is stronger than a Mega Upper and lower Billet set, or Noveske, or LMT, then it might be interesting and maybe considered a scam, but they did none of that in both the description and videos. In the end, it's a less than 50$ lower, and heck, for the money, if someone wanted to make a .22 beater, sure why not. Why bother using an LMT, Noveske, BCM, Colt, etc etc lower for smaller calibers, when you could just have a cheap light weight beater. In this point I respect the company because they aren't making any bogus claims about anything... unlike Bushy with their carbon lower and uppers claiming they are just as strong as forged lowers, thus in a few cases nearly maiming a few individuals.
Djmorris... watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKOm...eature=related
this is what I mean about flex at the R/E area. Look at about 4:30.
So, when you think of someone jumping on an R/E, and this junction not breaking or cracking, that takes some strength.
In the end, I'm not afraid of plastics, or composites, but gun composites are like 10 years behind bicycle composites. Basically, it's junk in the end still. BUT, if they started to use the composite the Mountain bike industry is using, it would be well G2G and quite a bit stronger than steel (not aluminum either... I'm talking steel).
It's supply and demand, and right now there is no demand for carbon uppers... or lowers, but in the next 10 years, they might very well be. Look at the AUG, Mp7, UMP, and a few others that are ultra successful with composites. Everyone in the AR seems to bash anything modern because it's not metal... but it's funny, My dad, and grandpa bashed the aluminum and plastic AR's when they came out, because they weren't wood and steel.
The guns you're asking to compare are completely different platforms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stock on the UMP attaches to the upper, not the lower, like an AR. The rest of a poly lower may be ok if used with an aftermarket LPK, but I wouldn't trust threading a buffer tube to one. The way I look at it is, a plastic lower for an AR is a cheap marketing gimmick. It costs next to nothing to produce them, which means a greater markup/profit. A lifetime warranty means nothing if the company doesn't last long enough to honor it.
In regards to the AUG, I found this little tidbit for you to chew on:
In the construction of the AUG, Steyr has made maximum use of synthetics and composites. The stock is molded from a fiberglass-reinforced polymer. The receiver is made from a steel-reinforced aluminum extrusion, and the modular fire control system, housed under the buttplate, consisting of the hammer and sear, is composed entirely of plastics with the exception the mainsprings and pivot pins.
Hardly a plastic, un reinforced AR lower.
I prefer this torture test https://danieldefense.com/TortureTest
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Some of you new members really like to waste your money.
I facepalm every time one of you buy a POS then come here asking if you done good.
Then you have the audacity to argue with people that out more rounds down range in a month than most shooters do in a decade.
OP, please don't expect this polymer lower to perform like an aluminum one.
The money you spent on it could have been better spent building up the SAA lower into a decent rifle.