Is the colt trigger assembly good to keep around? I will be picking up my M4 dpms soon and was curious if it can be used if needed.
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Is the colt trigger assembly good to keep around? I will be picking up my M4 dpms soon and was curious if it can be used if needed.
Are you just wondering if you should keep it as a spare?
If so, then, why not? I keep mine around, sometimes I pop my SSA out and run a stock trigger for awhile just to keep from being totally spoiled worthless on Geissele's stuff...
Hell, I'd put it in that rifle ASAP...along with any other Colt parts you happen to have.
I'm new to the ar. I've wanted one for years and finally able to get one. I didn't know if the colt trigger assembly is better than the dpms. I'm buying my m4 used so I'm not sure what has been done to it.
I put the m4 in lay a way before the price spike. Before I even knew about the price increase. So I got it fairly cheap and have it almost payed off. Kinda on a budget so anything over a grand is out of range right now.
Until I get my gun home and taken apart, I have no idea what has been done to it internally. If stuff needs to be changed out to make it a rock solid gun that I can enjoy for years and take what I throw at it , I will do what I can when I can. I know it has a nice bull barrel on it and collapsible stock if that matters...lol
I would trust the Colt parts before I'd trust the DPMS parts. And I agree the SSA is a sweet trigger.
Some shops or dealers have a test rig, or a gun set up with an SSA; I've encountered this at gunshows.
The SSA is a two stage trigger; total breakweight is 4.5 lbs, with 2.5 in the first and 2 in the second.
Final letoff is described as like 'breaking a crisp carrot'.
If you can find one at $170, that is a good price. They aren't hard to install.
Moon
I wouldn't expect to find one for less than $170. I found one at that price at a local show, and that is the discount price from Brownells.
Telling you something you already know, the OEM trigger on ARs is reliable and durable; it is also heavy, gritty and difficult to shoot well.
Moon
I will keep that in mind. Anything that makes shoot better I like.
Huh? Colt? Many experts disagree with you.
SSDsurf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmp52bIhdLI&list=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pac1BcRc8dg&list=
And they are quite welcome to disagree.
All I can tell you for sure is that I can shoot an SSA a damn sight better than the gritty, crunchy, heavy OEM trigger.
The SSA works for me. Others may do as they choose.
Moon
Brother, I've shot and own rifles with GI triggers from Colt, LMT, and Daniel Defense. I also own a couple of SSA's, an SSA-E, a S3G, and a ALS QMS.
There is NO reason for you to buy a fancy trigger right now. Especially since you have a Colt trigger you can put in if problems arise.
Frankly, since you're new to the platform, I don't think you should install it either(read a lot first and watch SSD Surf's videos.) Shoot your DPMS for a while, learn it, take a class, and do some reading here(talking about the stickies in the General AR and Technical AR forums.). You'll learn what to upgrade(and there are some things on your gun that should be upgraded), what you can do yourself and what you need a professional for, and WHY without spending loads of money.
Another good thing you ought to consider is subscribing to Panteao Productions, amongst many others teaching you how to shoot they have a great video on being your own Armorer.
I've been doing a lot of reading. I will for sure go out and shoot it first. Get used to it and tearing it down for cleaning. I may even be happy with it the way it is. I don't know.
Not sure why a 'Colt trigger' signifies to any degree. Much as I like the prancing pony, their triggers are neither better nor worse than any other GI spec trigger.
I learned to shoot an AR forty years ago, and I shot it pretty well.
But I gotta tell you, a good trigger makes a huge difference in any gun, and the AR especially.
Why fight the OEM trigger when there are good options available?
I won't dispute learning the platform before making some other decisions (optics, etc.), but in terms of enhancing 'shootability', a decent trigger is hard to beat.
Moon
I have to agree with you on this. I have done some bench rest shooting and trigger is everything there. Well, maybe not everything, but it accounts for a lot. One thing that shocked me on the AR platform when I finally got into it was how shitty the standard triggers are. Even in the top name guns. In most cases a shitty trigger is a deal breaker for me, but I learned to accept it and tolerate it while I was learning the platform. I recently "discovered" the beauty of Geissele. Don't think I'll go back to standard fcg anytime soon.
... AND Bob gave me a free hat too!!!
I like the Stock Colt Trigger in my AR,even though it's O.K I'd like to find something better.I was looking at the Skeletonized Timney Trigger..Has anybody had any experience with the Timney AR Triggers??
They're nice and crisp with a short reset. They also don't reliably ignite mil-spec primers. So think about that, and then drive on to a better option.
Geiselle and KAC for aftermarket triggers in my opinion, with Geiselle being the best. Colt, LMT, DD, and BCM(only on complete rifles) for GI.
I don't know if this is a joke or not so I will play along. I suggest that you do searching in regards to DPMS. They are far from quality. I would replace the trigger with something from ALG Defense, sell the DPMS stuff and you will at least break even.
Just lube her up and take her to the range as is. If it needs anything, you will find out then and there. As funds are available, I would get the SSA trigger as others have stated along with a quality spare BCG like BCM. Good luck finding a BCM BCG for a while though.
Yes. I keep a bunch of them around. Takes outs for SSA installs.
If the original parts are in spec, they'll last a long time.... but with DPMS, you can't be certain.
Dave, I'd have to dispute that. In terms of sheer volume of laws, especially by government entities of various descriptions and sizes (from Federal right down to townships and boros), demands for information before purchase, and sheer variety of solutions in search of a problem, I think gun laws take the cake. I'm not aware of the Prez making a speech about kitchen knives, for or against...;)
BTW, if showing ID is a good thing when buying a gun, why is it a problem when people go to vote?
Not meaning to hijack, so I'll let it go at that, but the endless proposals flat wear me out.
Moon
Two opposite ends of the spectrum as far as QC goes...the Colt triggers are more consistent as far as G.I. style triggers go. I've had two DPMS triggers, and I'll tell you that neither of them are the same or even close to the same. They are the grittiest triggers I've ever pulled on an AR and it's difficult to figure out when it will break. The Colt triggers are much more consistent in break.
I originally put a FCG of indeterminate origin in an M-16A1 retro that I was building; I've since gotten a couple of Colts.
This is actually too small a sample to be meaningful, but I frankly couldn't tell much difference among the triggers.
Then I made the fatal mistake of putting an SSA in one rifle...which promptly ruined me for the stock triggers.
Hate to admit it, but I even put one in the retro...it looks right, and stock parts can always be reinstalled.
When the Army was kind enough to teach me to shoot the AR in 1970, I didn't know enough about guns to have much of an opinion about the trigger in my issue weapon. At this late date, I just don't know.
Oddly, all the GI 1911s I've ever handled actually had pretty damn good triggers.
Moon
I would put the Colt trigger on the gun, get some ammo, and shoot the gun. Get good with a stock trigger and then get the SSA. Then you will be even better.