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I was going to buy one of those too before I bought a Stag. Maybe I shoulda waited.
I understand your reluctance, it can be tough here. But, all for the better in the end I assure you. Still, I and others regularly support Bushmaster for legit, first hand reasons despite the flak. I am talking thousands of rounds, but still none class lll in my case. Only shot Colt's that way. But, if it works well for years with good 5.56 as mine have, then that is relevant for the intended purposes.
Welcome aboard. :)
We have Colt M4A1's at work and they work pretty good even without a real good cleaning after qualifying. I do admire them because some people just do not understand the meaning of a clean gun and they still keep going and going.
I was going to but an LMT but could not justify the expense to the "domestic account".
The only thing I found troubling about your post was the lack of pictures.... :p Sorry, but I'm a sucker for a good picture - please post. Sounds as if you got a great deal on a great rifle! Congrats on your new carbine!
http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail....M-BCWA3F16M4TX
Good price, nice cop store.
the DPS model didnt come with a YHM rear BUIS or an EO-Tech??? I know for a fact that they ordered YHM rear BUIS and EO-Techs, I cant remember if they were 552's or 512's.
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HBAR?
The BM DPS carbine is a good indicator of what BM could routinely produce for a working gun if they so desired.
Having installed a Colt M16 BCG, you've eliminated some significant potential issues. If the balance of the gun performs out of the box, it will likely do so for some time.
Credit where credit is due. Enjoy.
milspec receiver extensions?
Any chance we could get pics of the staking (castle and key) and the ramps?
Remember, The Chart lists specific models of rifles as offered by various vendors, and it was my intention to list the most common model and the one most likely to appear on a dealer's rack.
Agree that these rifles would appear that (someone at) BM does know how to do some of these things, but chooses not to on their regular production rifles.
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It's not as bad as all that!
Yes, Bushmaster isn't exactly the most revered name in AR weapons around here, but even then there is ample acknowledgment that they do manage to build rifles that work when you get one without QC issues up front....and if you have a positive experience with one of their weapons then the rest of us are genuinely happy that they got yours right....ESPECIALLY if it is an issue weapon.
And you wanna know a secret?
I've actually spent time with the majority of mods and staff on this site in training classes, all while packing my old reliable Bushmaster carbine....and nobody threw rotten apples at me or anything. ;)
There were some rather puzzled glances at my chrome plated Beretta (Dude....is that a Taurus???) and the rather odd way my Bushmaster is set up, but no "Begone foul creature!!! Thy carbine dost stain the honor of this range!!!" Heck, even Larry Vickers didn't make fun of me.
...well, at least not for my choice in carbines, anyway....
It's all good, baby. It's all good....
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I can hijack with the best of them! :D
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...260&sec=&spon=
The BM DPS AR's tend to be one of their best products for sure.
Here is my question though, you paid almost $900 and then added a Colt BCG (which is worth at least $200). I understand that you had the Colt sitting around, but the price is still there. So now you are looking at an $1100 weapon.
You can buy an LMT (in parts) for around $929 and don't have to "swap" anything out.
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It is great that you had a good personal experience with BM. Many do not. The point though is that BM is not even in the same ball park as the LMT and it is just about the same price.
If you want a BM, then by all means get a BM. I just don't understand why if the prices are about the same.
C4
Those are most likely too big.
You are welcome to e-mail them to me and I will get them up for you.
C4
Grant, I've done business with you before and been very happy.
On this point I'm not sure what you mean by saying they are close in price.
The LMT M4 on your site is $1250. http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...on&key=HGSTD16
However if you want to price it close to what he paid for that bushy I'd be happy to take you up on it!
Otherwise there is quite a difference between that and less than $900 out the door.
I actually like it when a guy hijacks his own thread. There oughta be a name for that!
BTW, that NYT article doesn't speak that poorly of Colt...as it does of the commie rag itself.
Edit: LMT pricing is significantly less if you look at upper and lower separately.
When you buy a factory built weapon, the manufacturer collects the 11% FET. When you the consumer buys an AR in parts (for personal use), there is no FET collected and as long as the weapon is for personal use, you do not owe the FET. ;)
A word of warning, not ALL manufacturers offer their parts (uppers, lowers, BCG's, etc) at cheaper prices. Some companies (like RRA) actually make it more expensive to buy their uppers and lowers seperate than if you buy a complete gun and pay the FET. :rolleyes:
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I'm a little confused - After considering an ADS and a parts gun from J&T/DS, I had narrowed my choice on a 2nd AR to a Bushmaster from my local Sportsman's Warehouse or an LMT from Grant.
Bushmaster was around $900, but I'd buy a spare LMT BCG - total cost around $1030. It would be an exact copy of my existing rifle (still need to buy the LMT BCG as a spare for that one though).
My other option is an LMT from Grant at $1250, but I would still buy a spare LMT BCG for $130, bringing the cost up to $1380.
I figure a spare BCG is a good thing to have, regardless of make of rifle.
Then I saw this posted on this thread...
Here is my confusion...Quote:
You can buy an LMT (in parts) for around $929 and don't have to "swap" anything out.
On the LMT web site, I priced out seperate components to make a complete rifle as follows...
LMT : 16" Upper Receiver Assembly with flash suppressor - $485
LMT : 5.56, Standard F/A Bolt Carrier Group - $129
LMT : Charging Handle Assembly - $23
LMT : Handguards - $39
LMT : Defender Lower with Collapsing Stock and Standard Trigger - $330
LMT : Tactical Adjustable Rear Sight - $119
Total cost - $1125
None of the parts listed were at the high end of LMT's options list. Even so, what can I eliminate that I don't need to bring the price down? I'd still probably buy from Grant, either a complete gun or parts, but how do I get it down to the level he mentioned earlier?
There is no picture 17MB as a jpeg and 3 as a bmp. Other way around.
So why does Bushy make these special rifles?
Simple mathmatics I beleive..
Grants website info...
Complete LMT rifle 1250.00
LMT Defender Lower with Collapsing Stock and Standard Trigger ..330.00
M4 Flattop Upper Receiver w/ 1/7 Twist, Chrome-lined Barrel, and M4 barrel extension. Includes a Gas Tube, A2 Flash Suppressor, LMT Charging Handle and PRI Military Latch. ...485.00
CMT Bolt Carrier Group (MP Tested...135.00
LMT handgaurds 35.00
Grand total.....985.00
I dont kn ow about you but 985.00 is a heck of lot better than 1250.00:D :D
Hey thats not funny.......I paid the 1250 for my LMT:D But I am also lazy and dont trust myself to start screwing with things. Untill I can buy the 10.;5" upper:cool:
I didn't realize the LMT upper included the charging handle, but that only accounts for $23. One still needs a sight, and I know I would want a very durable sight - I have no immediate plans to buy an optic, and I want whatever sight I put on the stay on, without moving around, even if hit or bumped. That is why I bought an A2 for my first rifle - seemed stronger.
If I buy an upper, a lower, a BCG and handguards, how hard is it to put them together? It's not like I am building a parts gun. Wouldn't it be the same as the procedure I go through whenever I disassemble for cleaning and reassemble?
It's all a simple, 2 minute job that doesn't require a single tool. Mount handguards, insert charging handle, insert BCG, snap upper and lower together - done. If you don't have good hand strength, you might want a partner when mounting handguards. There's a tool to make the job easier, but it is NOT necessary.
And to answer your question, yes, you do that anyhow when you clean it. Proceed with confidence.;)
My educated guess is that the TX DPS decided to contract with Bushmaster for the production of a rifle that fits their department's needs/requirements.
Here's a few links:
http://www.gtdist.com/TXDPS-AR15.htm
http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail....M-BCWA3F16M4TX
TX DPS rifle requirements (PDF document):
http://www.gtdist.com/M4-specsheet.pdf
Uh
I am new and all, but why the Hate for Bushmaster ? I have 1 AR-15 and I use it for Hunting Coyotes, Crows and Groundhogs.
I am looking into buying another AR-15, but one with a 16" Barrel.
So what is "The" AR-15 to buy ? I thought about buying a "Kit" Gun from some Company, and then Building myself to save Hard to come by Money ?
Maybe I need to read on here a little more :confused:
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The issue is: what are you going to use your rifle for? If your intended purpose is to shoot 'yotes, dogs, birds, or cans then a Bushmaster might be a viable solution.
If your intention is to have a hard use rifle that's capable of anything, and capable of maximum reliability then Colt, LMT, or a custom built rifle from Grant or some of the other vendors here
is the solution you should look to.
No machine is perfect, but if you want to maximize the possibility that it will go bang every damn time you pull the trigger then I would not look to BM. Get a Colt or LMT and be done with it.
Oh, and welcome :cool: