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Getting back on topic. There is no "good price" for a Core 15. Unless it's less than $200.
How does the S&W live up to the "AR15" name?
-Does S&W indivdually (or even batch) HPT/MPI? There is no mention of it.
-Is the barrel 11595E steel? If so, why not state it?
-F marked FSB? May not matter being a mid-length, but are carbine S&W F marked?
-H buffer? Maybe not a big deal on the midlength, but do their carbine have them?
-Castel nut staked?
-Bolt carpetner 158?
-How well is the gas key staked?
-It's 1/8 twist, so it's not ".mil spec"
-Barrel is "Melonite" coated and not ".mil-spec" chrome lined
Im shocked S&W's don't get trashed on this forum for not being 100% on everything like the BCM, DD, Colt, LMT, LWRC, etc...
Batch HPT and MPI EVERY bolt.
CMV 5R on the Magpul and VTAC AR's.Quote:
-Is the barrel 11595E steel? If so, why not state it?
F marked on both the carbine and middy AR's.Quote:
-F marked FSB? May not matter being a mid-length, but are carbine S&W F marked?
No H buffers used on any of the guns.Quote:
-H buffer? Maybe not a big deal on the midlength, but do their carbine have them?
Yes.Quote:
-Castel nut staked?
Yes.Quote:
-Bolt carpetner 158?
Properly staked.Quote:
-How well is the gas key staked?
This is a personal choice and while not "Mil-Spec," it is an EXCELLENT twist rate ane one that I prefer.Quote:
-It's 1/8 twist, so it's not ".mil spec"
True. It is the way barrels are going though and in the future .Mil solicitations will require it (do to the EPA). While the "longevity" jury is still out IMHO, this is the way to go.Quote:
-Barrel is "Melonite" coated and not ".mil-spec" chrome lined
S&W AR's have come a long way. They continue to improve their guns and offer configurations that you don't see from other AR manufacturers. That coupled with their price puts them above all other common AR's (BM, DPMS, Armalite, RRA, Oly, etc).Quote:
Im shocked S&W's don't get trashed on this forum for not being 100% on everything like the BCM, DD, Colt, LMT, LWRC, etc...
They are a solid choice in the AR world (especially the ones with the 1/8 CMV 5R barrels).
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Grant will a Melonited barrel be more accurate than a chrome lined since its a surface treatment and not a lining?
It just seems to me S&W gets sort of a "pass" here for not being 100% like DD, BCM, Colt, LMT, LWRC, etc., Where other AR company's do not. Here are two examples.
Delton extreme duty 316
Windam Weaponry
You say how S&W has come a long way, well what about the Delton 316? Check out the tech spec on their page and it is pretty clear it's better than the S&W.
I posted about the Delton 316 awhile back and it got ripped apart and locked. https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in.../t-108308.html
Is Delton not allowed to improve because of their past? I know Delton has some "lesser" models, but so does S&W!
S&W now has dropped their 1/8 5R from the sport line, went with a 1/9 twist and 4140 barrels... You think they MPI/HPT all their bolts and barrels all the sport? Is the barrel even melonite coated?
Why don't they have high standards for all their rifles like the "top tier" guys?
The WW rifles.
-They don't have the "H" buffer, like the S&W doesn't.
-They don't have a 1/7 twist, like the S&W doesn't.
-S&W HPT/MPI tests ALL their bolts
-WW batch tests bolts
There isn't much argument here; individual testing is better quality control... Still it would be interesting to see how many fail the tests.
-S&W had a .mil spec receiver ext.
-WW commercial receiver ext.
-S&W F FSB
-WW A2 FSB
However,
-WW uses 11595E barrel steel on ALL their rifles
-S&W CMV 5R on "some" and how does this compare to the machine gun .mil spec 11595E?
-WW Chrome lined on ALL their barrels.
-S&W melonite on "some" of their barrels.
-WW M16 bolt carrier.
-S&W AR15 carrier.
WW rifle's get trashed here for being junk.
Like I said, it just seems most people here are all or nothing. Anything that doesn’t meet the strict standards is un-trust worthy and should be used for a plinker only. So S&W should be lumped in with the rest, right?
That’s your right to feel that way, but I am not with most of you on that. I think most any AR15 being made now (with a few exceptions, Carbon-15 comes to mind) will be adequate to protect you and your family in a civilian environment.
I am not trying to say that all AR’s are equal. DD, BCM ,Colt, Noveske, LMT, LWRC, Larue, etc are top of the line and I personally would rather have those over other brands. I just don’t believe the so called “commercial” company AR’s are THAT far behind to make a significant difference…
Again, my opinion only.