Compared to that Nov Gen lll I'll take a Colt in both hands and a nice pile of magazines...:eek:
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Its not that I do not like the price, its that I can not afford the rifle at that price.
If I am going to spend more than $1,200 on a rifle, it sure aint gonna be for an AR15. My DS Arms FN/FAL was only $1,300, and I can take that deer with that rifle all day long.
There is no way an AR15 is worth over $2,000.
Thank you.
I believe most of the time you get what you pay for. If you want quality you are going to have to pay for it.
But I also believe in a price point of diminishing return.
Noveske rifles look freaking awesome, and I would love to have one. But they are out of my price range.
If anything I would buy a Noveske upper and put it on something like a BCM lower.
I would not say value is "very" subjective, but it can be somewhat subjective.
Just because someone says a quarter is worth $1, does not magically make the quarter worth $1. And not any rare or silver quarter. Your standard everyday run of the mill quarter is worth 25 cents. Just because someone tries to sell it for a $1 does not make it worth $1.
Just because some gun company says their rifles are worth over $2k does not make it so.
It might be a high quality AR, but how much higher quality can it be than something like a colt 6920, DD and BCM? If I have to spend $2k to buy a good quality AR, then the 6920 must be junk.
The honest truth is the 6920 is the gold standard to the AR market. If the 6920 is the gold standard, then why does something else cost twice as much?
Either those $2k ARs are overpriced, or the 6920 and DDM4 are junk.
1. Some states prohibit hunting deer with anything smaller than a 6mm/243.
2. There is a reason why the 30-30, 270 and 30-06 are so popular for deer.
Personally, I do not hunt deer with anything less than 270 winchester. My remington model 700 only cost around $750. There is no way I am going to spend $2k on a rifle.
Worth and value are indeed subjective. For example, an mp5-SD....compare nominal market value in the US with production cost.
Very good point on deer and minimum caliber.
What it boils down to is this...
...some people will pay $500 for another 0.5moa tighter group. Some people are "brand whores" (again...HK as an example).
Then there are "little features" such as the polished bcg rails on a noveske bcg. Such as the other proprietary things they do. Some people pay for them. They cost money in man hours and material to perform. Then there is economy of scale. If noveske makes 5,000 rifles, they nees to see a lot more profit than Daniel Defense does, per rifle, to remain solvent.
There is a lot that goes into the product for the price, and while I am not a fan of noveske, I also don't think they are making $1500 per rifle in profit. They don't disclose every tweak they perform, and those tweaks may or may not build personal value to the buyer, but they do have more time and resources in the gun, and are smaller than colt or DD, and these facts add up to money.
This statement is illogical.
For the sake of comparison:
A 16" CL Colt LE6920 with plastic handguards and furniture, USGI FCG, Std. CH, and a carbine length gas system costs $1150 with 1 x PMag.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=374304573
A 16" SS PT Noveske Rogue Hunter with NSR rail and Vltor/TD furniture, ALG Combat Trigger (ACT), gunfighter CH, and a mid length gas system costs $1950 with 3 x PMags.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=374753521
Is the Noveske worth $800 more?
YES.
That is your opinion, but a whole lot of people disagree.
(How do you feel about 1911 prices, BTW? ;) )
This thread should be taken down, it's turned into a pissing contest for real.