Exactly. It seems like a bunch of men acting like fussy toddlers in need of a diaper change. If they can't swing the cash for a Noveske get a DD BCM or something. Plenty of competition.
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It seems to me there is an interesting coincidence between the long wait times for orders, and the switch from Gen II to III with the company doing more in-house production....hmmmm. Don't want to come off as overly snarky here, but I feel like when you order something like this, especially in the height of hysteria, that it's just expected. Don't get me wrong, I feel for you guys that have waited for something you paid for, but the way I see it, it does kind of fit with the investment nature of a 2K+ weapon. (I've been waiting on the ATF for almost nine months now for my own and it kills me).
I think that's something that a lot of people miss with the high end stuff. Its not just worth the sum of the parts, its worth what someone will pay for it. Resale is a big deal. If you don't think so, then shell out for ammo and training. I have some Noveske stuff, and I like all of it. That being said, I've never bought a complete build from them. Can't say that I would at the price points we're seeing now. However, that's because I don't want to commit that kind of cash in one chunk when I don't have to, NOT because I have some arbitrary upper limit on what I will accept what something is worth. Like has been said before, the market will determine the price. The market has spoken. I await some performance reviews and hopefully news and pics from SHOT.......
If you like one, buy one. If you do not, then don't.
Awful lot of speculation in this thread, about things that people have no knowledge of. I never had the privilege of meeting Mr. Noveske, but I have a great deal of respect for what he did accomplish in his life.
And that respect is why this thread is closing now. If you think of a good reason for it to re-open, shoot me or a mod/staff member a PM.
Someone has stepped in and taken over as President of the company. He has years of manufacturing experience and having personally met with him several times in the last 5 months I feel confident he is taking things in the right direction. His "other company" does quite a bit of work with the Mil and others all over the world. ECS Case is no joke.