Anybody taken a look at these yet? They look pretty nice (it is Noveske after all). The upper receiver itself looks pretty interesting.
http://shopnoveske.com/collections/rifles/gen-iii
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Anybody taken a look at these yet? They look pretty nice (it is Noveske after all). The upper receiver itself looks pretty interesting.
http://shopnoveske.com/collections/rifles/gen-iii
They do look nice. Looks like they got away from the MUR receivers as well.
Nice to see they went with the Raptor CH but it needs a BAD Inc lever.
Nice, but when can you actually buy one? I can't find a 16" Recon anywhere, except GB where the guy want 2X MSRP.
What's different about the GenIII? Obviously a new upper receiver and CH, but it says the lower is different too? Looks the same.
I love how they're making the Raptor CH and Magpul STR standard. Great taste in parts, although MBUS Pro BUIS instead if Troys would have been nice.
Also would have been great if they used the opportunity of a new lower to make it ambi. :)
Seems like the quad rail is new too, but it doesn't seem too different besides that it looks like it uses a NSR barrel nut now. And it looks like the switchblock rifles use the old rail.
I can't afford one but I'd love to know more about that upper receiver.
The fence is the raised part that makes accidentally hitting your mag release harder, as well as the part above that parallel to the upper edge of the lower.
The GenII fence extends vertically below the fence around the mag release. The GenIII does not.
They seem to be shaped different, with a more gentle slope on the GenII and a more steep slope on the GenIII with a flat raised portion. The GenII fence is closer to mil spec in design while the GenIII reminds me of Magpul lowers.
GenII right side: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/025..._1024x1024.jpg
GenIII right side: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/025..._1024x1024.jpg
dat new website....
Holy **** over 2500 dollars and I though KAC was expensive
$2,500+ for a billet upper/lower rifle?:confused:
If you don't line the price, don't buy it. They are obviously good sellers and supply doesn't seem to meet demand.
Those prices are insane.
Hopefully they'll do 8" 300BLK and 14.5" 5.56 again.
Do most people who get a Noveske keep the hand guard stock?
...why does a 10.5" gun weigh 7 pounds? Does all that "pretty" really make up for the roughly 1.5# more weight you're lugging around? When you consider that the bare rifle weighs as much as a comparable rifle with a suppressor AND an Aimpoint T1 in place...:confused:
Yes, I know I know "So shut up and don't buy one." Don't worry---I won't. I can assure you of that much. It just made my eyes bug out that the thing is so bloody heavy for a 10.5" DI carbine, and I had to ask...why? What's the "return" for that weight? Looks? I compared it to a comparable Gen II, and it's several ounces heavier. I would think making a gun lighter > making a gun heavier. There is absolutely ZERO benefit to those pounds and ounces, IMO, unless someone has a logical explanation? I'm genuinely curious as to the *why*, here.
http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...tchblock-rifle
My Noveske 16" Recon upper was very well made, accurate and reliable. The barrel was a tack driver with standard ammo and served me well overseas.
Are there are other barrels? Yep. Are some cheaper? Yep. Are some better? Maybe.
I'm not a fan.
Let me clarify. I am a fan of Noveske products, but I am not a fan of the new Gen III rifles.
I don't like the look of the Gen III rifles at all. I think the Gen II's had much smoother lines and were easier on the eyes. I also don't understand the move away from the MUR uppers... Are the Gen III uppers better in some way? If so, they don't seem to be doing a very good job of making the case. I think a lot of people would prefer the tried-and-true MUR upper compared to a new untested upper with very little available information. I know I would - I don't see this new upper offering anything the MUR doesn't already... They're also still sporting the AAC 51T flash hiders. That's fine for the guys that like them, and want to run an AAC can, but I would have liked to see a drop down menu with different options, including offerings from Surefire and SilencerCo for starters. That is one thing Noveske does not seem to do well on - options. You either like the way they think the rifle should be, or you can change it yourself. I'm sure part of it is cost, but people are willing to pay extra for extra options. They're already paying for a premium rifle.
I like that they have switched to the Magpul STR stocks, but I wish they offered color options and the option to upgrade the buffer system to the Vltor A5. I also like the switch to the Raptor charging handle, but as previously mentioned think they should have incorporated other ambidextrous options as well (such as a BAD-CASS or even a full ambi lower), especially for the price. I would have also liked to see an option to delete the sights and save a few bucks. Not everyone wants Troy sights.
Aside from that, I don't see a whole lot of major differences between the Gen II and Gen III rifles to justify the price jump... Same barrel offerings, same rails, same BCG, same trigger, non-ambi... Maybe it's just me? :confused:
For me, it's all too little, too late anyway. I'm nearly done with a build I started earlier this year after coming to the conclusion that the Gen II's didn't offer everything I wanted either. At one point in time I was seriously considering laying down a stack of Benji's for a complete Noveske rifle, and then later on I almost decided to go with a complete Noveske upper. Now, the only Noveske components on my build are a Noveske QD endplate, Noveske NSR, and a Noveske 16" Recon barrel (which I am still searching for). Noveske has no trouble turning out excellent products, but it is unfortunate that they cannot solve their real problem - actually having rifles and components available for sale. :(
I'm glad yours was a good one. I have heard their stainless barrels are good. Their CHF barrels had horrible POI shifts (4MOA for one, and 7-8 MOA for the other) with my Surefire, but they were accurate for me at least. The funky lowers were a source of issue (out of spec, fitment issues with one, feeding issues with the other), and it's my fault for choosing the VLTOR/VIS for an upper, won't make that mistake again. I take the blame for that choice.
On another note, look at the "Johnny Rifle". That one looks like they used the good parts instead of the overweight proprietary spec stuff: http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...s/johnny-rifle
How do you know that the barrel was the issue and not the can and or mount? I may be wrong, but I am fairly certain that their chrome lined barrels are made by FN. Noveske then does some final finishing in house.
I actually kind of like the VIS. It's a little heavy but at the right price it's cheaper than a rail and upper in some cases.
The VIS/MUR is heavy, but you're right, it can be cheaper. However, you're stuck with it. It's made of 6601 instead of 7075, and if you bend the rail, well, that sucks...
I bought the VIS/MUR because it was pretty and I bought into the "monolithic---strong like bull, nothing to loosen up!" mentality until I lugged it around all day and shot hundreds of rounds a day through it for a few week-ends. I then came to despise the extra weight. That's noone's fault but my own, though, I chose that upper and own that.
The Gen II FFL lowers served to be nothing but issue after issue for me, causing misfeeds from Lancer AWM's, not accepting Gen 3 PMAG's (fixed later), and not adhering to mil-spec dimensions and not fitting some mil-spec uppers because of it.
In short, gimme something that works vs. something that's pretty.
A 7 pound 10.5" SBR with a match-grade heavy stainless barrel on it is just...??? Looks like a "Because I can and I wear Gucci socks, too!" type rifle rather than a useful working tool. I mean, it weighs within a few ounces or so empty of the HK416 10" with a loaded magazine, and it's a DI gun. Maybe I'm just bitter because of my poor experiences, but I can't see how that SBR or any of the overweight offerings are anything but show-pieces.
The "Johnny Rifle" looks like solid work, what with the proper upper and lower and all, but the other stuff on their new page? Artwork first, problem solving tool second.
Call me a fanboy, but jeez, this isn't Burger King. You can't blame Noveske for putting together a complete offering and not being a completly custom shop. You complain about Noveske supply lagging behind damand but you would never see a product availible if every rifle was built to order. Now I know it is frustrating to spend that much money on a rifle and still have to dump loads into it to get it the way you want it, but if what Noveske offers is not worth it to you go see Grants BCM page start from there for $1k.
WS6's problems are legit and his situation with getting screwed by CS is sad, but as unfortunate as his circumstance is, he is literally the only person I have heard of who had legit problems that didn't get taken care of.
All I want to know is if the receivers are machined from billet or forgings.
Nice but the price. Pete
Aside from that, and even assuming it is flawlessly correct dimensionally, and runs like a raped ape, I'm still looking at a 7 pound 10.5" gun, before a loaded mag or optics or a light ever go near it.
That's ridiculous, I don't care how you try to justify it.
The "old Noveske" made much more sensible gear, back before John Noveske was taken before his time, and they began capitalizing on the looks of their employees and other things that had nothing to do with building a good rifle. To me, they are kindof like RedJacket now, except their stuff isn't that bad, and Sheri and Nikita actually do look good. Still, the similarities in current business model are very striking, and it's a huge turn-off.
No amount of tears or wishes or prayers will bring John Noveske back to his family, his friends, or his company, and that is a true tragedy that goes far beyond any companies products, but sadly, that cannot be changed. What can, and what I wish would, though, is that they would turn the clock back on their current trends and get back to building no-nonsense guns the right way, and leave all the nip-slip YouTube videos and 7 pound "precision" 10 inch SBR's and all that to someone else. I can't imagine the internal turmoil they are going through, but I hope they sort it out and get back in the game.
I remember a time when their guns were light, handy, and ran like a raped ape. They didn't include unnecessary "Gucci" crap. When a lot of people got in hot water over a picture of Sheri. When their customer service was on the ball. Bring THAT back. Not some heavier-yet version of all the current products. :(
It's maybe a $50-100 increase. Cry me a river.
As stated before: if you don't like it, don't buy it. :rolleyes:
I believe on the video that was on the home page it showed a CNC machine making the new Gen 3 lower. So I would guess it's billet.
Are the Gen 2 lowers no more?
Woa, just because their rifles look sick and Noveske gives mind to aesthetics doesn't mean their quality has gone to crap, your unfortunate experience not withstanding.
As for a 10" precision barrel, the more mechanically accurate the better. Noveske has said their 10" SS is one of the most precise barrels they make due to its rigidity and many serious trigger pullers do quite alot with 10" barrels...
I'm not a fan of any of Noveske's new product line. I'm confused as to why they chose to change their receivers to billet? Like others have said, if you don't like it don't buy it. I don't like it so I'll spend my money elsewhere.
A drop down menu would be nice, but you actually do have options for muzzle devices. You have to contact them directly to have one built, or contact one of their dealers. I get them configured with Battlecomps and Surefire Brakes all the time...in addition to various AAC devices.
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I would much rather them SHIP ME THE RIFLE I ORDERED LAST DECEMBER than spend all this time on new models....
I'm pretty sure this is a limitation of their web site. When I ordered my rifle back in 2012, they were happy to change components (for an upcharge). I think they are still a place that you want to deal with over the phone if the options on their web site don't meet your needs.
-john