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All the manufactures are going towards more intelligent reticles for LPV for FFP. Leupold, S&B, even Primary Arms and Bushnell got the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndianaBoy
Had this debate on here a couple years or so ago, everyone said I was out of touch and had no idea what manufactures were doing or why.
There are very good reasons why they are doing it.
That might be digressing, However I still find nothing exciting about this offering at the price point.
I learned after I bought the P4Xi that the Steiner US products aren't up to the standard of the German-made ones. When my scope arrived with a seal obscuring the field of view, I moved on. I'm still willing to try the German stuff, but once was enough for the so-called affordable stuff.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Damage
So if they put in a large illuminated circle, to make a reticle that is visible in FFP, you still lose the finer stadia for aiming at distance.
Which is a moot point because if you are shooting at distances long enough to need hold overs, you will be on maximum magnification anyway.
Can you enlighten me to the advantage of FFP on a LPV?
I don't like a large portion of my reticle to be illuminated. All I want is a single bright center dot. I see the appeal of FFP on higher magnification scopes. I just don't see what advantages it conveys in a scope that starts at 1x. What's the gain?
I'm not trying to be snarky. Genuinely curious.
If I were looking at a 1-8 or 1-10 scope, FFP would be a necessity.
I don't think the Steiner is quite on par with my Vortex Razor, but so far I have been impressed with it. With the exception of the turrets, which lag far behind the Razor.
The scope with BDC and SFP basically becomes a 1 OR 5X not a 1-5x. You lose all the versatility the magnification in between provides (field of view, light transmission, etc.) , ranging is of course not an option either.
Most of the high end are FFP reticle, SFP dot. Such as the Minox, it would be perfect if it has half mil marks :(.
The Mid tier, provide close to the same functionality with the inclusion of the "horse shoe". At 50-100 are 1moa dot is not as useful as it sounds in MOM(Minute of Man) engagements.
I guess the SFP would not really be an issue if you are always shooting bench at known distances (debatable the usefulness of that without MIl/half mil, precision would be very lacking) or if you are always @ 100y.
S&B 1-8 SD with CC mode is sfp. I prefer sfp in a lpv. You're only ever realistically going to be ranging or using a BDC on the top magnification. A reliable dual focal plane lpv would be ideal, but we don't seem to be there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital_Damage
The new PM II ShortDot with CC is dual.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshNC
Dot in SFP and reticle in FFP. Just like the minox.
The old one with both in SFP is being discontinued.
Honestly, I really really like the swfa circle and hashes FFP reticle in their 1-x HD variables. I think if you could stuff that big circle and a Horus into a 1-8, and then project a 2moa illuminated dot like USO in the center, it would be amazing. You have your dot for aimpoint type use, Horus for wind, etc, and the bold swfa type circle for use if illumination takes a dump up close fast and dirty.
That said, I'm simple and use and love the nightforce fc2. Most of my use for magnification is PID and precision, not drop or wind. I did get zerostop for playing at the range or dialing knowns, though. I've played with the mk6, k16i, vcog, and Z6i and razor and wouldn't trade my nf 1-4 for any of em.
I see your point but in my circumstances the SFP is not a problem for a number of reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital_Damage
1.) I zero at 200 yards, and I have never encountered a situation where a target was more than 250 yards away where I didn't want to be on maximum magnification.
2.) I often use optics at somewhere in between 1-5/6, I have only found this practical in situations like smallish targets from 25-100 yards, when I want enough field of view to keep multiple targets in view at once, without getting lost in the array.
In short, I haven't found a situation yet where the lack of FFP was a hindrance with a 1-5/6x. It simply doesn't matter because if I'm shooting at 250+ yards, full power is where I want to be.
I would wholeheartedly agree that FFP is very desirable in higher magnification optics that are setup in mils.
That would be pretty sweet. Lack of wind holds is probably my biggest reticle criticism of both the Vortex Razor 1-6 and the Steiner we are talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by WS6
We aren't the only ones who think it would be sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndianaBoy