Best all around scope for all around ar.

For the price of some of the Bushnell Elite Tactical 1-6.5 in SFP, in my opinion is hard to beat. Can find them now on sale for some decent prices. Bought my SFP Btr-2 for 913 bucks shipped. If you don't like it, Bushnell will give you 100 percent of your money back for a whole year for any reason. Maybe worth a try. Nothing to lose at least. Or give it a go with their 1-8x.

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Originally Posted by Failure2Stop

What's your definition of "DMR"?
If it is a semi-automatic rifle that is used to support a maneuver element in a tactical scenario without a spotter, with an expected high level of precision, rapid identification, and surveillance requirements, then I would say that my personal preference is the Leupold Mk6 3-18x with H59 reticle. HOWEVER, this preference is based off of my experience with that optic, which I use almost exclusively, due to their prevalence in my customer base.

There are other, very good optics out there, but from a size, features, and reticle standpoint, the Mk6 3-18x leaves very little for me to desire. If price is a factor, well, that's a different story.

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Thank you for the advice. It's hard to try them all :)... Price is not a small factor, but usability and quality prevail... Should reticle illumination play any significant role in the tactical scenario described above? In other words, is it needed or not?

VCOGS are available and sitting on dealer shelves, amazon, etc., and they will probably stay there at the prices they sell for. I've looked at them several times, they are very clear, the eye relief is generous and forgiving.

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Originally Posted by CT45

Thank you for the advice. It's hard to try them all :)... Price is not a small factor, but usability and quality prevail... Should reticle illumination play any significant role in the tactical scenario described above? In other words, is it needed or not?

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Ultimately it comes down to mastering your equipment. Every optic has tradeoffs. Seeing first hand how the H59 reticle works in Jack's class I was very impressed. But for my needs, I'm not willing to give up a true 1x optic. No matter what scenario I come up with I cannot envision needing to shoot anything beyond a few hundred yards. My 1-6 has me covered out to 600.

The more training you can obtain, the better you'll understand how to best use you optic and how to work around it's limitations. A more powerful scope means adding offset irons or a mini red dot for closer targets. Plenty of shooters make that work but I prefer having a variable that as closely as possible works like an Aimpoint when I need it. I found I can use it without turning on the dot because the crosshairs give me a reference point. But in low/no light the crosshairs will be more difficult to see, especially under stress. I also don't have to worry about my offset irons or mrds being blocked if I'm on the left side of a barricade.

I've found the Z6i works so well for my needs that if I could only have one optic that would be it. My "recce" AR in 5.56 has one and I liked it so much I got another for my 7.62 AR. I still have a great deal to learn about precision shooting but now I can focus on improving me and I have a standard tool for both precision rifles.

I'd submit that shooters in the same league as Jack would be dangerous with any rifle and a Wal-Mart special Redfield scope duct taped to it. Just be realistic and honest with yourself about your needs (not always the same as wants) and you'll be fine. I don't need to read the license plate on the lunar rover and I wanted a lightweight optic. A quality 1-6 with a truly daytime bright dot fits me perfectly.

Good luck with your search.

More choices! :)

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My 1-6 has me covered out to 600.

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Does the BRT-1 reticle allow ~5MIL+ holdovers?

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More choices! :)


Does the BRT-1 reticle allow ~5MIL+ holdovers?

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They are 1 mil markings at 6x. The optic comes with stickers for some loads and blank stickers to make your own. There is also an online ballistic calculator but I haven't used it.

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Thanks for the quick replies. Has anyone used the bushnell tactical elite 1-8?

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What is your price range? How much do you intend to bench rest vs. carry? Do you need illumination? Do you have to have 1x? Does the scope need to be "hard use" tough? Do you already own a HD rifle?

If you are going to carry the rifle, you want to consider weight. If you want it to shoot 1X and out to 500 yards then = $$$$. If you have money to burn and you are in good shape get a Leupy Mk8, but 8 power is about as low as I would go for 500 yards (maybe it is just my eyesight). The NF NXS 2.5-10x 42 or 32 will just get you to 500.

Or you could consider getting two scopes. One for close to mid, and one for mid to longish.

I don't know if you have already selected or built your SPR, but if you have not you might want to consider a .308 instead.

I picked up a Burris XTR ii 1.5-8 today. I could not pass it up for the price. I evaluated my shooting and my needs and determined I would try this optic first. From the reviews I have read, I think it will do everything I need.

Let us know how you like it.

I have the Bushnell 1-6.5 SFP BTR-2, a Kahles K16i SM1 and a VXR patrol, crazy as it may sound for a 16" recce I'd grab the VXR every time.
In fact if it had locking or capped turrets I'd call it the best all around AR optic for everything, I never would have said that before owning one
but the thing is pretty amazing, once you get used to it you can pretty much get red dot speed at 1.25 and the reticle is plenty precise out to
500m and my eyes aren't the greatest, the dot is blazing bright even in direct sun, it weighs next to nothing and is tiny. It's the epitome of less
is more.