Better option than 2.5-10 FFP?

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Originally Posted by bp7178

I totally agree about the 2.5-10 being better as a SFP. That being said, I hated the glass on my Vortex 2.5-10, plus when using the scope when it was at or slightly below freezing the clicks just turned to mush.

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you hated the glass, really? which Vortex 2.5-10, the FFP or SFP?..

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Originally Posted by bp7178

Take a look at the 2.5-8x42 Leupold TS30A2. Its actually closer to a 3-9, but the reticle doesn't match the turrets if thats a deal breaker. Generally, not that big of a deal in a SFP scope IMO, and the elevation is marked for drops with a 77gr mk 262 round. The TMR reticle is very nice in it, good open center which isn't too large, and the illumination is very strong. MUCH better than on my 2.5-10x42 NF. If you are LE/Mil/Gov they are priced very good.

I'm not a fan of the illumination in the 2.5-10x42 NF, and the view through the rear of the scope just seems cramped. I don't know if this was because I was comparing it to a Mark 6 3-18 which has a 34mm tube or not, but the occular lens on it just seems as if it could be bigger. The tick marks on the parallax adjustment kind of suck, I'd rather just have numbers or yards etc.

I generally don't like and pushbutton illumination, but I'm contemplating the new 4-16 NF F1 with the MOAR reticle. Being 34mm I'm hoping the view through the back would seem bigger, and they are now labeling the parallax know. IMO, in a FFP scope anything below 4 and you are barely able to make out the reticle. On my Mark 6, 3 and 18 were rarely used. Most of the time I never went above 15 as things started getting darker and the reticle thick.

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I agree with FFP being near useless at anything less than 4 or 5. another possible for me is 4-16 but again, I hear (heard) mumblings about the Vortex 4-16 glass being soft...

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Originally Posted by bp7178

The Steiner 3-15 T5Xi looks very impressive, but I can't stand the layout of the SCR reticle. I don't really like any of the Steiner reticles as a matter of fact. But, if I could get a T5Xi with a standard mildot I'd be all over it.

If you have the space on your credit card, the 3-15 Tangent Theta 30mm looks very nice. Priced on the high side for where its market competition is.

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I've got expensive taste in glass but I'm afraid those would send my credit card to the ICU and me to the doghouse when my wife saw the bill.

I want something that doesn't weigh 2 lbs., this is going on a 16" with 5.56 stainless match barrel but it still needs to be man portable. the other usual suspects in the category are pretty heavy, damn expensive -OR- they don't offer illum. there's no Holy Grail...

I've had the same search once, finally just went in for the NF. Until the manufactures come up with something new, it's the best balanced for this power and focal plane.

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Originally Posted by l8apex

I've had the same search once, finally just went in for the NF. Until the manufactures come up with something new, it's the best balanced for this power and focal plane.

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well, that would be my desire but I can't really afford NF so looking for the next best thing. I got the 2.5-10 FFP based on reviews, etc., I never looked through one before I bought it.

does anyone still wonder why NF hasn't made their venerable 2.5-10 FFP? it's dumb, that's why...

without a full size reticle, or unless your illum knob goes up to 11, any attempt to use the reticle at the bottom end is miserable. I'd rather use a 4x ACOG for close action than this scope at 2.5...

I have the same PST 2.5-10x32 FFP. You are right, the reticle is tiny at the bottom end. I can still use it, but I find that the scope spends most of its life between 4x and 10x. I do use the FFP for holdovers, though.

I honestly don't think there is a good tradeoff here without going to one of the 1x-4/6/8x choices. The two magnification ranges are built for different niches. A 2.5-10 with SFP is fine if you don't need the holdover/ranging marks. Otherwise, the next best solution is to have the offset RDS or irons (that's the route I'm going to go).

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Originally Posted by ra2bach

you hated the glass, really? which Vortex 2.5-10, the FFP or SFP?..



I agree with FFP being near useless at anything less than 4 or 5. another possible for me is 4-16 but again, I hear (heard) mumblings about the Vortex 4-16 glass being soft...



I've got expensive taste in glass but I'm afraid those would send my credit card to the ICU and me to the doghouse when my wife saw the bill.

I want something that doesn't weigh 2 lbs., this is going on a 16" with 5.56 stainless match barrel but it still needs to be man portable. the other usual suspects in the category are pretty heavy, damn expensive -OR- they don't offer illum. there's no Holy Grail...

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I had the 2.5-10x44 SFP Vortex. Glass was milky. Hated it. Same reason I never even mounted the 4-16 Vortex...sent that right back.

would look for a NF 2.5-10

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Originally Posted by bp7178

I had the 2.5-10x44 SFP Vortex. Glass was milky. Hated it. Same reason I never even mounted the 4-16 Vortex...sent that right back.

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hmmm, not very encouraging. I wish I had some place local to see them but I don't. and I don't want to do the buy and return internet shuffle.

how long ago was this? some reports are that this has been true initially but fixed recently. any chance that's correct?..

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Originally Posted by BrigandTwoFour

I have the same PST 2.5-10x32 FFP. You are right, the reticle is tiny at the bottom end. I can still use it, but I find that the scope spends most of its life between 4x and 10x. I do use the FFP for holdovers, though.

I honestly don't think there is a good tradeoff here without going to one of the 1x-4/6/8x choices. The two magnification ranges are built for different niches. A 2.5-10 with SFP is fine if you don't need the holdover/ranging marks. Otherwise, the next best solution is to have the offset RDS or irons (that's the route I'm going to go).

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I have 1-6 on another gun. great but not what this gun is set up for.

if you can do holdovers at 4x FFP, you've got better eyes than I do. I still don't understand why people want to range at anything less than max mag. at any range that you need to range or holdover, you're much more accurate at max power. for me, with a cattail it's quicker and less fuss to just wind up the mag than try to work at the low end. but then, as you say, this FFP scope reticle shrinks to nothing at 2.5. really wish the SFP version of this or the 4-16 had glass that was comparable.

a fixed 10-12 power with offset secondary might be ok but I'd rather put the money into primary scope...

How about a FFP scope, with zero stop and a reticle you can actually use @3x...and under $1100.

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Tacti...=bushnell+lrhs

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Originally Posted by ra2bach

I have 1-6 on another gun. great but not what this gun is set up for.

if you can do holdovers at 4x FFP, you've got better eyes than I do. I still don't understand why people want to range at anything less than max mag. at any range that you need to range or holdover, you're much more accurate at max power. for me, with a cattail it's quicker and less fuss to just wind up the mag than try to work at the low end. but then, as you say, this FFP scope reticle shrinks to nothing at 2.5. really wish the SFP version of this or the 4-16 had glass that was comparable.

a fixed 10-12 power with offset secondary might be ok but I'd rather put the money into primary scope...

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A common misconception is that the only application that a Mil or MOA based reticle is only useful for ranging. An FFP reticle is also extremely useful for shooting moving targets, and engaging multiple targets in sequence at various ranges, all while under a short time constraints.

If you've never participated in a LR Tactical rifle shoot, you should do so, and it will quickly dispel any notions you may have about FFP vs SFP.