I'm looking for a set of back up sights for my dd. What are you guys running?
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I'm looking for a set of back up sights for my dd. What are you guys running?
Do you want flip-ups or fixed? Or maybe offsets? Are these backup to an optic? I'm guessing they are since you refer to them as backup sights. What kind of optic?
I'm running Magpul MBUS Pros with an Aimpoint Micro and an EoTech.
Oh sorry yea I do have a aimpoint on the rifle and I do want flip ups. There's just a lot to choose from and I haven't had any dealing with any
I run fixed sights with my red dots in a lower 1/3 co-winess mount, a2 up front, chopped carry handle behind, no need to flip anything up, they're always right there if you need them and they don't interfere with your field of view when you're using the red dot since they're not in the same plane of focus
I like the MBUS Pros due to their small size when folded down. Troy and KAC are popular as well, KAC being the most costly. Bobro has recently started offering folding sights but I've never seen them in person. Given the quality of their mounts I can only guess the sights are good to go.
The polymer Magpul MBUS (not the Pros) will also do the job if you're looking for a less expensive option.
How much are you looking to spend?
Magpul pros for me.
Running troy folding sights on every rifle. You can get a great price on them if you search the equipment exchange.
I'm running Knights Armament flip-ups on both of my uppers, expensive but ya gotta pay to play with Kac equipment.
KAC and Troy are my favorites..
Troy is all I use. I have for years and see nothing new that is better. They are rock solid and work well.
Currently running polymer Magpul MBUS on two rifles and they work great as backup sights. Eventually I'll upgrade to KAC on one of the rifles. Also DD fixed and FSB on another and I'm very pleased with DD as well. Only downside with the DD fixed rear sight is that it doesn't fold down.
I am using MBUS Pros with my T-1.
The highest damage and wear portion of irons tend to be the upper area of either side of the base. I primarily only use Magpul steel irons or KAC's micros, which tend to hold up very well and maintain a low profile, low 'snag' design.
The ultra-low profile folding irons are a particular advantage when running a rifle mounted RMR as the dedicated optic, on an ultra low base. Some of these irons will fold below the level of the RMR's lens, and while upright will stand tall enough to function above the RMR's guard.
For additional information search for iron sights and you will find several threads with lots of input.
For flip ups without a budget, I like the MBUS pro or KAC. If on a budget, MBUS (polymer) are hands down the best option, and leave little to be desired. Right now I have one upper with MBUS pro, and another that came with KAC sights.
I have KAC, Matech (r), Magpul Pro, Troy, LMT (r), and DD (f). Good things to say about all of them.
I ended up using the Magpul Pro, small size is what sold me.
I have several brands of BUIS, I have come to the conclusion that Troy are the best, this is because there are no buttons or levers to remember when it is time to deploy and also because they lock into the up position.
Troy sights did not fare well in the drop test because of the locking mechanism. All of my Troy sights required me to push the button in order to fold it down. In addition you need a tool to make sight adjustments.
The Magpul MBUS PRO's are much better in those regards and when you compare the price as well, they stand out.
I have one Troy rear sight left, been switching over to the Magpul Pro's myself, do have one set of MOE's as well.
Christ, have we had lots. Honestly surprised this one is still up to be honest.
Anyway, back on topic, I have used the following a goody bit, in no particular order, ARMS #40 and #40L, not bad sights, and currently have a set on a go to rifle, because they are ones I have used for years, they are rugged, at least in my use, and I shoot them well, so well in fact while I had planned on replacing it with another rear sight I can group signifiacantly better with this one which leaves me in a quandary. Magpul MBUS, which work, don't get me wrong, they work well. But, they do leave something to be desired, and honestly unless I am going for budget I think there are better options out there. Matech. I am not a fan of these, they are neat, if you doing a clone they may be the ones you want, but I have never been impressed by them. Troys. I have a front and rear set that work fine. Have another lone rear that has left me less than satisfied. I also am not a huge fan of the adjustment method on the rear, it can be a pain, same with a DD A1.5, Not an issue for some, but it annoys me.
Haven't spent a lot of time with the Pros, but I really think I will be grabbing at least a rear, if not a complete set here in the future to replace the ARMS on the one rifle. Also, for anyone who thinks the Pro's or even the Troy's are pricey. If you shop around I know I have seen Pro's, I know the offset pros at least, down around $135-150 on sale. Not too bad considering.
FWIW I have MBUS Gen 2 (front/rear) on one rifle. The other two rifles have fixed front FSB, one has a BCM-branded Troy rear and the other has a MBUS PRO LR.
They all do their job well. If I had to pick, the MBUS PRO seems to be the best all around for me. But, being honest, I rarely ever use the backups, since all three of these guns have optics on them.
If I want to focus on iron sight practice, I'm more likely to drop a carry handle onto one of the fixed-fsb uppers (but, again, the Pros do the best job of emulating the carry handle)
Troy flip ups on my DD.
I don't have buis on my other rifle, as I have a scope on it and it's nothing other than a range plinker (my DD is also set up as a trainer and HD).
I prefer sights that lock up, others will accidentally get pushed down. Also who wants to look for a button or lever in an emergency. Usually there is plenty of time when folding them down. The Magpuls have to much meat around the peep, this obscures your view, I don't like that either. On a fun gun none of this matters. YMMV
I run Magpul MBUS. Honestly I preferred the Troy set I had on my last upper, but the cost savings was nice and if my T-1 goes down they're good enough to get me out of a bad situation.
I run the mbus pro rear and fixed front on my work gun (it's older but runs awesome) and diamond back front and rear on my personal weapon both setups support eotech 552s
MBUS with an AP PRO on two rifles.
I did break one at a training class a few months back, using the motaring technique. Long story, but I doubt any sight would have made it past that f' up of my I own doing.
Cheap to replace though and had served me well up to that point. I AM that CLOWN that will run Irons at a training class from time to time.
I've always used Troy but after the whole Dale Monroe thing they won't get another dime of my money. MBUS Pro would be my recommendation.
A deeply anti-gun person with a questionable history who was hired by Troy. When the customer base at large questioned the company about the decision, Troy stood firm and refused to even consider letting Dale Monroe go. A noteworthy boycott occurred in the industry against Troy for that reason.
I have the 2nd generation Magpul MBUS on my KISS carbine and MI folding sights on my do-it-all, I like both really they just have slightly different perks. The MBUS is nice in that it can always be either the small or large reticle and not have problems folding down
I have at least 8 sets of Troy BUIS, and I've never had to push a button to deploy them only to fold them. In my opinion the reason the Magpul MBUS do well in the drop test is because they are plastic. And if the Magpul PRO sights hold up well during the drop test I'm guessing it is because they are made of steel instead of aluminum. IMHO. I don't care for sights that require a spring to remain deployed like the Magpul Pro sights.
I use troy, mbus, & mbus pro. Mbus pro likely hold up in a drop test (compared to Troy) because they're held up with a detent, no lock... so they collapse on impact. Whereas troys are locked and just bend under the impact.
I like the troys because they lock... so if they get bumped on a door frame, rub equipment, or whatever while your using them, they don't flop down out of action. These are my go-to on rifles that use the flip up sights more frequently that just "Back up."
I like mbus pro because of the low profile. I can't see them at all through an optic. But they do drop out of position easy enough if they get bumped on cover or snagged on equipment. Kind of sucks when you think they're deployed and you raise your rifle to find no sight picture.
I like standard mbus because they're cheap and they work. Because they're spring loaded, they don't drop out of position like the pros unless they fully compress to the lower locked position. Personally, I don't like the sight picture or the profile of these but I can tolerate it given the cost and how well they work.
^^ Same here ^^
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...oy-industries/
Not just Dale Monroe, but Jody Weis.
Back to BUIS, I've had Troy's folding battlesights, including their offsets, and got rid of them in favor of the Magpul MBUS Pro.
The Magpul PRO are significantly slimmer, easier to adjust, and the company has not hired any goons and anti-2A lackeys.