Eotech EXPS3 initial Cold Weather test

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Originally Posted by nickdrak

L3 isn't going out of business over this. They have tens of millions of dollars in contracts for their NVG equipment.

Im just hoping this ordeal forces Eotech to come out with an improved/fixed sight with battery life that is comparable to everything else in the market.

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Not to mention tons of other comms equipment.


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Originally Posted by nickdrak

Im just hoping this ordeal forces Eotech to come out with an improved/fixed sight with battery life that is comparable to everything else in the market.

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This.

I held off buying an EOTech due to the difference in battery life with the Aimpoint micros. I'll be first in line for an XPS if this happens.

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Originally Posted by Mysteryman

The company lied to generate revenue. Lying to save money from a recall is asinine as it will come back to haunt you for far more than a recall is worth. Hence the current refund offering and the drama associated. The sole purpose of the refund is to reduce the severity of the class action lawsuits that are happening and will likely continue to happen. Eotech doesn't give a sh*t about the customer, just their bottom line.

The defects are real and they effect all Eotech sights. The evidence is listed on the eotechlawsuit.com website and has been and is admitted to be the case by EOTECH THEMSELVES. It amazes me how many people seem to believe they know the optic better than the people who build them. Eotech admits they are faulty by design and NSWC and USSOCOM have tested and proven that to be the case. There is little doubt that the optics are not reliable, what is in question is just when they will fail. The temperature shift, the parallax issues, inconsistent adjustment values, the dimming due to moisture inside the optic, failed battery contacts, battery drain when the optic is off and the poor battery life are all other real issues.



VW didn't sell defective products, they simply lied about the emissions values, so what. The car still runs as advertised. Again, Eotech is offering full refunds as a way to mitigate huge lawsuit payouts.



Eotech is setting the precident, not the consumer. If they simply offered a poorly built product then it would sit amongst other low end brands like Tasco, NcStar and Leapers. The difference is they lied about the products capabilities and failed to make any attempt to solve the issues. It is this difference that has spurred Eotech to offer the refund. Avoiding lawsuits and their payouts is priority one. Other manufacturers offer to repair or replace the defective item under warranty. Eotech has no fix for the problem, they lied about the quality of the product. Call me crazy but if I was sold a product under false claims I would want my money back as well. Perhaps not being scammed is freeloading to you, I call it consumer protection. Then again, I didn't buy an Eotech.



There you have it, there was a defective battery cap, not an inherent design flaw(also known as a poor design) and they found it and fixed it. I hate to be the broken record here but Eotech isn't offering a fix, because there isn't one. The optic does not perform anywhere near the level they claim it does/can. They got caught and there is no solution. Eotech is in damage control mode, and minimizing the volume of people involved in lawsuits will cost them less in the end. Can't sue them if you got your money back now can you? The other thing the refund does(or they hope it does) is to reduce the amount and duration of bad press that Eotech/L3 is receiving. For those who still haven't figured it out, the refund also looks like a "gesture of good faith" which it's not.

On a final note, wait till some LEO's or servicemen's family can prove(or a lawyer can prove) their loved one was wounded or killed because their Eotech failed them.

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You don't buy Eotech yet seem to have some strong opinions.

If the T1 battery cap caused a failure, it is a design flaw. The flaw may not manifest in every sight, but it is still a flaw.

I would bet money that they dump the Eotech line, either shut it down completely or sell it off if they can find a buyer. They have had what 10 years to "improve" them and it hasn't worked, I would bet money that they won't invest any more funds in them. That is the corporate mindset at work, has nothing to do with the value of the product but all about the short term bottom line, I perdict they will cut their loses and move on.

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Originally Posted by Etho

No, because Aimpoint acknowledged the problem and fixed the issue. Eotech/L3 never acknowledged(publicly) the problem existed until the lawsuit. Big damn difference if you ask me. Again, as recently as a couple of months ago they responded to my email inquiry about the issue using words that were that of surprise. Not anything about "yes, that can happen and this is our solution.".

Forgot to add. You won't convince me, I won't convince you. We'll have to agree to disagree. Have a good day.

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Not trying to convince anyone of anything other than not all Eotechs have zero shift in the cold, hence the OP.

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Originally Posted by mack7.62

I would bet money that they dump the Eotech line, either shut it down completely or sell it off if they can find a buyer. They have had what 10 years to "improve" them and it hasn't worked, I would bet money that they won't invest any more funds in them. That is the corporate mindset at work, has nothing to do with the value of the product but all about the short term bottom line, I perdict they will cut their loses and move on.

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You would be out a lot of money... what you are proposing is stupidity "from a corporate mindset".

They make more money off thermal cores than they ever made with the holo sights.

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Originally Posted by Kdubya

If your sole reason for favoring Eotech is their reticle, you can find it other optics as well. Sightmark uses it in their M-Spec. I actually have one. It's about 1/3 of the price and carries nearly all the same specs. It's held up great, even on full auto. Also has a lifetime warranty; which was the reason I pulled the trigger on it over the eotech or aimpoint. Is it the best optic out there? No. Does it do everything a civilian could ever ask of. Most likely.

I hope L3 comes out of this okay. But just ask Colt how well things are going after losing a government contract. I can't say this would stop me from ever buying one. I can say that this makes me feel a whole lot better about the $400 I saved and put towards ammo though.

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Sightmark uses a heads up holographic display similar to aircraft displays? Or just a similar shape reticle?

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Originally Posted by azoutdoorsman

Sightmark uses a heads up holographic display similar to aircraft displays? Or just a similar shape reticle?

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I think all of Sightmark's are emitter driven not hud.

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Originally Posted by wolf_walker

I just wanna know where I can buy one of those returned sights cheap, surely they aren't just going to junk em all.

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A few years ago our agency sent a bunch of 512's back. They replaced them (not fix) then gave officers the opportunity to buy the now refurbished ones for like $165.

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Originally Posted by Digital_Damage

I think all of Sightmark's are emitter driven not hud.

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I'm pretty sure this ^^^ is correct. I was replying to a post that addressed the actual reticle. The poster claimed it was faster to get on target at close ranges. I don't think, even in the M-Spec model, that they use the HUD like eotech. I'll have to look it up to confirm.

I too agree with another of the replies that it hopefully means an improved version. Especially in regards to battery life. I don't think they are on quite as bad a situation as colt. They didn't stake their entire claim all on one product like the former. But they are going to need to come out with something that really turns heads of they hope to recapture the dominance they once had. It'll be an interesting story line to watch.