For the few claiming there isn't that much difference in the sizes of the VP9 and G19. I like my VP9, but it's too big for me to carry, heavy too.
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For the few claiming there isn't that much difference in the sizes of the VP9 and G19. I like my VP9, but it's too big for me to carry, heavy too.
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It's just something that popped into my head. I'm a huge HK Fan and I've gone/come full circle more or less trying everything and then realized a few things:
1911s are immensely shootable and accurate; thin and heavy
They also are quite forgiving of trigger control issues. When I tried Glocks I hated them. The M&P a LITTLE Less so.
LEM HKs are great but a little slow for me (then realized that 0.17 splits don't truly matter; getting solid hits at 0.25 sec splits do - for me).
After 3500 rounds of drills with a Glock 19 I freaking love it.
The VP9 was instant gratification.
If you get the sneaky suspicion I don't baby these tools you're correct. Absolutely so. It's all about finding what gives me the keenest advantage - and after a while you realize it doesn't matter much at all: GLOCK, M&P, VP9, P30, P226... I can run them all. And when I go to the range I like to try other people's pistols and let them run mine for a 100 rounds or so.
I get the impression that a lot of people here do not shoot a lot, much less train and surely do not compete. Lots of collectors. There used to be lots of threads about filling in rollmarks and such. While in and of itself rollmark filling isn't a deal breaker but when one reads "HK can do no wrong" like GlockTalk guys, combined with photos of two of a kind and relatively few threads on training, drills, classes, etc., it reminds me of my cousin. Who is a hipster. He has the right this and right that for the wrong reasons; head the clouds, Pollyanna-ish.
Some here (and EVERYWHERE) will be like this but there is a little of that in a lot of people here. Maybe the Glock guys have much less because the guns are boringly capable and nothing to really look at. I dunno.
I found it rather comical as I could see my cousin collecting P7s if the hipster crowd at the local market or micro-brewery (and I frequent them, too, I just don't wear the low hip tight jeans and shirts, the "proper watch" and I don't/won't drive a Prius) decided it was the "in thing."
At least he asked me to take him to a gun store and is considering purchasing something so maybe there's hope for him (and all like him) after all.
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Sadly enough the only training I've ever had was on a M9 and a G17. The reason why I asked is because you're not the only one to make that comment and I've seen it here and AR15com too. I'm a collector but have Sig, CZ, Colt, and Ruger pistols. Rifles go from cheap a Keltec SU-22 to a Ruger AC556k so it's not like HK is the only thing I know. The P7 series is awesome and the only pistol I trust with a round chambered while pointed at my junk.
H&K did what A LOT of companies couldn't do in one shot so that's why I think it's important to keep that in mind. It amazes me that people who were critical to a whole Glock generation(Gen4) are the same people that try to come at people who bought a better made pistol. SHOT is around the corner so we'll if HK brings any new goodies other than the VP9SK. Pocket pistols are all the rage at the moment so I'm sure we'll see a lot of those this year.
I was one of the "beta testers" for the Gen4 17. I know exactly where you're coming from, brother. I was PISSED so I just used my P30. I quietly followed APEX Tactical on M4C and eventually purchased one of his APEX Extractor and extractor rod kits and "Voila!" But I could not shoot them well enough at distance so I took my last two classes with the VP9.
Since that time I've gotten spookily proficient with the Gen4 19 and the overall size/capacity is perfect.
That said, I REALLY like the VP9. And I AIWB Carry it with a JM Custom Kydex holster.
I was not aware of the "hipster" nickname from, of all places, ARFCOM. Muppets...
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Heh, the P7 is about the only one I would trust in that scenario as well! :) I generally don't carry my P7's because of their weight and relative value, so pistols always stay pointed away from my junk, regardless of what is currently in vogue.Quote:
The P7 series is awesome and the only pistol I trust with a round chambered while pointed at my junk.
Yeah, I TOTALLY get the cult of the P7. Been there. LOL!
Finding spares are starting to become an issue unless you've got stores. I wish it could have remained in production but cost of mfg kept it price uncompetitive... Still one of my all time favorites though too obscure for me to carry. If it's damaged how quickly can I obtain, say, a new extractor or one of the cool linkages inside the stock? If it were still being produced I might still be wearing one. Awesome pistol.
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I have extra pistons, recoil springs and only one extractor. Try to buy when they come up from time to time.
Well I have 3 P7s. Two police trade ins Grade A and Grade B, the other is a P7M8. The Grade B is the carry pistol but I have a trunk rifle(2 extra mags) and another pistol(2 extra mags) in a compartment in my car.
I had two P7M8 pistols and sold them both. I injured my left hand and I could not consistently fully depress the decocker from the holster during a quick draw. Looking back I could have obtained grip panels with a mild palm swells (like the P7) and all would have been fine. Unfortunately, I was seeking employment elsewhere than where I was and took a deep salary cut to make it happened so I let them go. Let me check my box of trinkets and treasures. I know I had some parts (and sold some parts with one) and I may (may is the operative word) have something sitting around. I'll give you what I have if anything is in there, brother.
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