I would buy for the G19. It won't dig into your side but it will provide better stability...plus you can carry either weapon with it.
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I would buy for the G19. It won't dig into your side but it will provide better stability...plus you can carry either weapon with it.
I am using a G17 Shaggy to carry a G19 and it works perfectly. Doesn't dig in and I think it helps keep the grip from tipping out.
Finally got my G19 Shaggy holster and...I don't think this form of carry is going to work for me at all. I tried big baggy shirts, I tried the holster more centerline and more towards my hip. Nothing I did prevented a big bulge in my front like I had a super hernia or a conjoined twin hiding under my clothes.
What am I doing wrong? I'm 5'11, 160# if that makes a difference.
I really wanted this to work, since IWB's tend to exacerbate my bad lower back.
RAM Engineer: as I have reported elsewhere in this thread, I found AIWB more "clothes -dependent" than conventional IWB. I get best results with higher sitting pants that are sized just right (accounting for holster). A bit too loose or low-rise pants don't work well. Just FYI...
I'm with you on this, I even tried buying some shorts a size larger to give some room to fit - no dice. The most comfortable if you can call it that it roughly between 1230 to 0100 from centerline. I personally concluded that some body types [mine] are not optimal for APDX carry - it can be done, but it's farggin uncomfortable. Maybe I've been going at it wrong....? Been using Milt Sparks & Raven/NB Kydex until and if it ever sorts out. 5'11 180# Athletic Build.
Appendix carry takes some getting used to, folks. It took me a few weeks of experimentation to find exactly the right spot on my waistline. If you just received your holster and you're suffering severe consternation because it doesn't seem to feel as comfortable as strong side IWB, my best advice is to keep at it for a while. It'll probably get better.
Ram,
Which belt attachment did you go with? We can try a couple different appliances to see if some other configuration works better for you. And remember you have a 90 day satisfaction guarantee. We can try a different holster if the Shaggy just doesn't work for you.
Keep trying slightly different positions. A small move can be a big difference in this carry method. Give each try a couple hours at least.
Regards,
Rich
For me and my Shaggy, the leather loops work better the the closed kydex loop. I am 6' 2'', 200 ish, 34 waist, buying 36 pants for IWB/34 inseam. I wear a 44/46l jacket. having said that, I think the Looper has less profile than the Shaggy in general. I use a 21SF w the Shaggy, a Looper for a g34/35.
Bottom Line -Rich is a class act and will make it right!!!
I would note the following based upon my exper. carrying primarily AIWB for the last year:
1. You print less AIWB when you stand up straight
2. You print less when you chest to waist difference is bigger such that your cover garment has more drape i.e. I would print even less if I had a bigger chest and a smaller waist ( I need to do more push ups, better diet, crunches etc.)
3. You have to experiment untill you find the sweet spot
4. A quality belt is important i.e. Liger, 5 stich Wilderness, 2 ply leather gunbelt.
5. Offsetting you belt buckle from the center line reduces print
6. I suspect you are printing a lot more than you really are because you are looking down and know exactly where to look.
7. Presuming a permisive enviroment-concealed means concealed, it does not mean invisible to the trained eye at 1 meter.
8. Cover garment selection is key. My go to set up is a patterned/textured square bottom buttom up shirt over some type of wicking t-shirt or some type of logoed t shirt over a wicking "wife beater." I would also note that "sizing" on many shirts is wildly varying and what is marked an XL today fits like an L from 5+ years ago.
Best of luck. Do not give up on the concept too quickly.
Be safe and well,
David of vcdgrips.com
I agree with David, you have to experiment and find your sweet spot. I've been using my Shaggy for 2.5 months now and finally have gotten used to it. Being used to leather IWB carry, I thought it was the kydex at first, hard and won't bend/mold like leather. It took a while and some pm's for advice from members and it is good to go for me now. It is possible on smaller waist/frames as well.
Also a good quality belt is a must. I first tried it with my SOE riggers belt and with the buckle and v-ring it printed horribly. But I switched to my Wilderness Instructor belt with a slight offset on the buckle on my pants/shorts it works like a charm with minimal to zero print. Keep playing with it, you'll work it out.
As an added bonus AIWB carry worked great for me over the 4th of July Holiday weekend. We attended a parade in the morning and the crowd was packed in tight on the street with people tucked right up behind us. I was glad my weapon was up front and not at 4-o'clock with people bumping in to each other and trying to get through the crowds.