Noveske is a waste IMO.
Their barrels may be a little nicer, but surely not $600 nicer...
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Noveske is a waste IMO.
Their barrels may be a little nicer, but surely not $600 nicer...
That's why I put together a "Noveske" gun using blem and discounted components and added KAC, LMT and Magpul components to fill the gaps. And it cost way less than what I would have paid for a Noveske factory build.
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There are only 2 tiers that matter IMO when it comes to AR15's:
KAC at the top.
BCM/Colt in the middle when I don't want/need KAC products. The 6720 and 6721 (for ban states) for $800 is about the best deal in factory rifles out there. The BCM 11.5, 12.5 & 14.5 Barrels are top notch as well.
There are no other factory rifles/uppers on the market worth messing with IMO. There is always rolling your own/customs, but for factory products those are the only 3 worth it IMO for serious weapons (not range toys or game guns).
Noveske, LMT, PWS, LWRC, ect really offer nothing that one of 3 above don't at a better value or performance.
happy Növeske owner with no complaints.
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So is Boeing, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, CAT, John Deere and a million other companies. A lot of AR manufactures will manufacture there own uppers, lowers, barrels and hand guards and use someone else's forward assist, takedown pins, roll pins, BCG, buffer tube assembly, dust cover, flash hider, grip, butt stock, sights, detents/springs, trigger, bolt catch and magazine release along with someone elses magazine.
Anyone who questions KAC's customer service has clearly never been to their sub forum on TOS.
You missed his point. "from those company's existing products". All those companies you listed with the exception of some engines or transmissions are UNIQUE, Speced products that are subcontracted out. There is no Boeing or Lockheed clone companies out there that plug and play with parts. Yes some things like bolts or screws or a sub-assembly may be used by other manufactures but they don't even begin to compare to an AR15 Manufacture.
While noveskee does have a few unique products, they A. Are few and far between and B. Are already obsolete as anything worth a shit was designed when John was still alive. 10 Years ago when there were not many options for quality factory SS barrels, they were one of the better options. They really offer nothing and their prices are so far from their true value. DD is the same way, they really offer nothing over BCM at a higher price.
MAYBE if they were in line with BCM pricing, they would be a viable alternative, but as it stands, their QC and products the last few years are more in line with the mass produced consumer guns than the quality Mil-spec manufactures like BCM , Colt and even LMT.
I don't have a complete noveske rifle but I do have an 18" SPR barrel and it was super accurate, at 50 yards with a accupoint 1-4 I put 10 shots in less than a dime. I really want to pull off my accupoint and put a higher power optic just to see it's true accuracy at 100 yds. Yes it was pricey but it came with a gas block and gas tube so $75 value it has that nice bead blasted finish instead of being super shiny for stainless steel. Everyone has stuff that they'll pay more money for like a war sport or LaRue. I think a Noveske is more justifiable as a purchase compared to a salient or new agency glock.