ICE raid N.C firearms manufacturer

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Originally Posted by Sam

The employer must do everything in their power to verify that their employees are not illegals. There's this thing called E-Verify, it's not difficult, oh and it's the law.

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Yep, I honestly don't care who they work for.

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Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon

I can't get over how demtarded NC has become, what with sheriffs REFUSING to work with ICE to repatriate ILLEGAL FOREIGN INVADERS. :mad:

It's an embarrassment to BE from there these days. :(

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Sometimes ICE doesn’t cooperate back

“Oh hi..yeah I got this van full of Julios with Honduran accents, no ID, military age, steely eyes, and I happened upon some credit cards, trac phones, a little sinsemilla, and a gun that the ATF said they’ll get back to me on.., Oh what’s that? Not interested? Just fingerprint and photo? You...you aren’t sending someone? No I don’t think they are actually landscaping. But but but that’s your job though..... You’ll transfer me to voicemail?? But um...”

BEEP
Cisco Opus 9 plays
Female voice
“This is Agent Pantsuit please leave a message if this is an emergency call 911”

But but but but......

Uuuuuugggghhhhhhhhh

Yeah so I agree eff ICE. They are like the ATF. Pick and choosey.

I don’t dislike the concept of Federal agencies helping (they should) but it’s pick and choosy.

Now with like kidnappings or bank robberies the FBI is Johnny On The Spot all politics aside. And most aren’t even assholes about it.

US Marshals likewise will help you bust in on thuggybear if he got a Fed Warrant. Even SS is down for a good pedo hunt (especially when they cracked out the SR15 M4s. That was wicked shit)

But ICE just is so lame and retarded and can KMA.

Big Facts

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Very true and here's another look at the Sheriffs and how they may look at it. Imagine a 400 bed local jail with 600 people in it. Many won't care but here's the other side. Their budget is strained, thier resources aren't unlimited. So they're trying to keep the local criminals, the state criminals, the USMS holds, extraditions, MI's, a few misdemeanors like domestic battery, as well as the really dangerous felons. They may hold people that can't bond for up to a year, usually drug charges waiting on crime lab results or a time for a trial. Thier entire budget is based on 400 inmates, staffing levels, food, utilities, medical care, and other programs. Remember jails are not designed for punishment, just to hold those till they go to trial. Now add in some big local ICE sweep, maybe adding another 100, 200 federal prisoners. Where do they go? Remember the big federal governmet? Now come the federal lawsuits for any number of things and guess whose name is first on every one of them? It's not the ICE agent, the officer or deputy who arrested them, and very rarely the detention deputy or facility administrator, it's the Sheriff. So, if the feds won't do anything to keep them out why should the Sheriff's risk collapsing their entire piece of the criminal justice system? Put it to a local vote maybe to expand, build a lager facility via a local tax? The citizens are tired of increased taxes and often can't afford it anyway. It's a complicated dilemma with many factors involved.

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Originally Posted by seb5

Very true and here's another look at the Sheriffs and how they may look at it. Imagine a 400 bed local jail with 600 people in it. Many won't care but here's the other side. Their budget is strained, thier resources aren't unlimited. So they're trying to keep the local criminals, the state criminals, the USMS holds, extraditions, MI's, a few misdemeanors like domestic battery, as well as the really dangerous felons. They may hold people that can't bond for up to a year, usually drug charges waiting on crime lab results or a time for a trial. Thier entire budget is based on 400 inmates, staffing levels, food, utilities, medical care, and other programs. Remember jails are not designed for punishment, just to hold those till they go to trial. Now add in some big local ICE sweep, maybe adding another 100, 200 federal prisoners. Where do they go? Remember the big federal governmet? Now come the federal lawsuits for any number of things and guess whose name is first on every one of them? It's not the ICE agent, the officer or deputy who arrested them, and very rarely the detention deputy or facility administrator, it's the Sheriff. So, if the feds won't do anything to keep them out why should the Sheriff's risk collapsing their entire piece of the criminal justice system? Put it to a local vote maybe to expand, build a lager facility via a local tax? The citizens are tired of increased taxes and often can't afford it anyway. It's a complicated dilemma with many factors involved.

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Yes, but what if the extra 200 bodies promise to vote for the sheriff in the next election? Will that jail then become a sanctuary jail?

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Originally Posted by seb5

Very true and here's another look at the Sheriffs and how they may look at it. Imagine a 400 bed local jail with 600 people in it. Many won't care but here's the other side. Their budget is strained, thier resources aren't unlimited. So they're trying to keep the local criminals, the state criminals, the USMS holds, extraditions, MI's, a few misdemeanors like domestic battery, as well as the really dangerous felons. They may hold people that can't bond for up to a year, usually drug charges waiting on crime lab results or a time for a trial. Thier entire budget is based on 400 inmates, staffing levels, food, utilities, medical care, and other programs. Remember jails are not designed for punishment, just to hold those till they go to trial. Now add in some big local ICE sweep, maybe adding another 100, 200 federal prisoners. Where do they go? Remember the big federal governmet? Now come the federal lawsuits for any number of things and guess whose name is first on every one of them? It's not the ICE agent, the officer or deputy who arrested them, and very rarely the detention deputy or facility administrator, it's the Sheriff. So, if the feds won't do anything to keep them out why should the Sheriff's risk collapsing their entire piece of the criminal justice system? Put it to a local vote maybe to expand, build a lager facility via a local tax? The citizens are tired of increased taxes and often can't afford it anyway. It's a complicated dilemma with many factors involved.

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It's complicated because government is too big. My father was in the food service business. He bid the food service contract for our county jail. The contract required a full time licensed nutritionist on his staff. He ask if he could prepare the meals using recipes prepared by a professional rather than employe one and save the county 40K a year. They told him NO. That was 30 years ago. What is the price of being politically correct today? You can build a nice little prison with razor wire, tents and porta potties but government will spend 2K a square foot to build a jail.

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Originally Posted by GH41

Immigration came into a friends local construction company office and demanded the E-Verify receipts for 50 odd employees. Everything was in order but after the audit they found that 11 employees had the same SS#. They tried to hold him responsible for not catching it. He told them to pound sand and fix the fed's system. They never came back! Not saying Bear Creek compiled just that system is far from perfect.

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So your friend didn't notice that over 20% of his employees had the same social security number. Your friend is a bad American that puts greed above all else. I would not be friends with a person like that.

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Originally Posted by Nightvisionary

So your friend didn't notice that over 20% of his employees had the same social security number. Your friend is a bad American that puts greed above all else. I would not be friends with a person like that.

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If the 'friend' didn't have hands on the applications, which is not that unlikely in a company employing 50, he is still responsible for making sure the folks below him know not to hire illegals.

Like you, I truly doubt this was a complete surprise to the employer. I think he was just going for plausible deniability.

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Originally Posted by seb5

It's a complicated dilemma with many factors involved.

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On that basis, yes. Sheriff Arpaio just pitched a few more tents in the yard to fix it. I'd RATHER see more of that creative way of dealing with it, than flat-out refusal.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

If the 'friend' didn't have hands on the applications, which is not that unlikely in a company employing 50, he is still responsible for making sure the folks below him know not to hire illegals.

Like you, I truly doubt this was a complete surprise to the employer. I think he was just going for plausible deniability.

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It wasn't a surprise at all. You cannot get Americans to do manual/semi skilled labor down here. Our government pays Americans more $$$ to sit home and make babies than labor jobs pay. You hire hispanics or the work doesn't get done. You are happy to get hispanics with papers. It isn't the business owner's responsibility to fact check the papers. It's not about greed either. It is hard to find basic labor help for less than 17-18 bucks an hour unless you provide transportation and in some cases housing assistance. The reason we have illegal immigration is because Americans are paid not to work and the job has to get done. The labor shortage around here is serious enough that some of the larger companies recruit in countries like Honduras whos people can come and go freely with a valid passport. Some are willing to charter busses to bring them here. We either need shut down welfare or make it easier for law abiding hispanics to come up and work.

The reason labor jobs pay so poorly (partly) is that there are 20 million illegals happy to work them. Boot out those 20 million job competitors and the pay for labor will increase. Yes things and especially services would cost more. Americans would more likely be willing to do labor jobs if they didn’t have to compete with an illegal work force. Maybe there would be a huge recession from slack sales in landscape leaf blowers. I could live with that.

It's not rocket science, it's basic economics. It's the dirty little secret...we don't want (Hispanics) to undercut labor jobs, but we sure are willing to pay minimal cost for the services.

But the smart immigrants, legal or not, are understanding the economic landscape and how to make it work for them. First generation Mexicans are starting Mexican restaurants and charging premium price, and people are flocking to them because they are muy authentico. Even the Roach Coach that typically caters to the Latino workforce are charging a lot more, knowing that gringos will pay top dollar for taco.