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Immigrants both legal and not will also typically live many working adults per household. Most Americans want to live in their own from the get go and many struggle for years. The immigrants like the Vietnamese people I worked with combined incomes to reduce housing, food and car expenses, which allowed one of them to go to trade school or college, then when they work they lend money to others to get a car or go to school. Strict culture to pay back family/friend loans. Literally a group bootstrap effort. That is why they are willing to work lower paying jobs.

I guarantee if some of the $13/ hr labor jobs paid $20/hr there would be shortage of Americans willing to work them. Corporate America and farmers wants to pay third world wages domestically so you have them as major lobbyists for illegal and legal immigration. Plus you have the green card slave labor pool for skilled tech jobs.

We need to have a planned immigration inflow that does not dramatically depress labor wages. Then strictly enforce borders and visa over stays.

I'm sure that if I perused this company's facebook, there would be plenty of MAGA and "Build the wall" posts and memes.

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The reason labor jobs pay so poorly (partly) is that there are 20 million illegals happy to work them. Boot out those 20 million job competitors and the pay for labor will increase. Yes things and especially services would cost more. Americans would more likely be willing to do labor jobs if they didn’t have to compete with an illegal work force. Maybe there would be a huge recession from slack sales in landscape leaf blowers. I could live with that.

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AMEN. In the 1990s I had several friends who worked construction. Not a single one of them can get a job in that industry now.

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AMEN. In the 1990s I had several friends who worked construction. Not a single one of them can get a job in that industry now.

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Yep, construction used to be a pretty decent entry job to learn a trade on the job. Downside was occasional layoffs between projects. Around here there are 9 Hispanic construction workers get every white/black/other. Contractors bid jobs then sub out to Hispanic crews, who have few if any English speakers. There is a sizable Russian community so they make up a smaller percent of subs. Most Anglos in Construction are the guys having done it 20 years and are leads or own their own business. I worked on crew a couple years ago and about 3/4 were Hispanic at the entry level in a community of maybe 1/3 Hispanic. I liked the guys individually but the shear number of them greatly depress the labor wages. Starting construction wage is no better than McDs.

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Maybe there would be a huge recession from slack sales in landscape leaf blowers. I could live with that.

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Maybe Americans would get off their asses and mow their own lawns.

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We need to have a planned immigration inflow that does not dramatically depress labor wages.

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Yeah, the big businesses that own our Congress critters are all for that. :rolleyes:

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The employer must do everything in their power to verify that their employees are not illegals. There's this thing called E-Verify, it's not difficult, oh and it's the law.

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Not for nothing, but E-Verify was shut down during the 33 day government shutdown. Also, E-Verify is not a federal mandate, it's voluntary. Many states have passed state laws that mandate use of E-Verify though.

http://www.numbersusa.com/jvrobb/www...50px102011.jpg
* Map from 2010, which is the most recent I could find.

As another poster pointed out, E-Verify isn't foolproof either. If the data entered is valid it won't be caught, if the only difference is the person presenting the data not being the person the data represents. https://immigrationforum.org/article...s-in-e-verify/

We've had several cases where I work that weren't caught by E-Verify, but were caught when the prospective employee presented fraudulent documents to the security office responsible for credentialing. Fraudulent document training and experience are second only to a willingness to NOT hire ineligible persons when it comes to employment fraud.

Here are some useful numbers when discussing the use of E-Verify: https://immigrationforum.org/article...heet-e-verify/ Some of the claims are specious at best regarding employment denials due to incorrect data. The false data can be challenged and corrected, but that takes work.

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It wasn't a surprise at all. You cannot get Americans to do manual/semi skilled labor down here. Our government pays Americans more $$$ to sit home and make babies than labor jobs pay. You hire hispanics or the work doesn't get done. You are happy to get hispanics with papers. It isn't the business owner's responsibility to fact check the papers. It's not about greed either. It is hard to find basic labor help for less than 17-18 bucks an hour unless you provide transportation and in some cases housing assistance. The reason we have illegal immigration is because Americans are paid not to work and the job has to get done. The labor shortage around here is serious enough that some of the larger companies recruit in countries like Honduras whos people can come and go freely with a valid passport. Some are willing to charter busses to bring them here. We either need shut down welfare or make it easier for law abiding hispanics to come up and work.

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Heaven forbid your buddy should pay $17 an hour for semi skilled labor. Im sure guys like him would long for the days of pre-ban emancipation proclamation labor.

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AMEN. In the 1990s I had several friends who worked construction. Not a single one of them can get a job in that industry now.

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I know a dreamer working for a Fortune 100 company in corporate security. Nice guy but I know there is a least 1 qualified disabled veteran that could have excelled in that position with a 70k salary and benefit package.

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I know a dreamer working for a Fortune 100 company in corporate security. Nice guy but I know there is a least 1 qualified disabled veteran that could have excelled in that position with a 70k salary and benefit package.

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Bad info on my part, confused dreamers with US born. My mistake.