Firearm Platforms That Never Made Any Sense To You...

The MK23 Offensive Pistol.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

For me it was select fire, sniper rifles, both from HK.

So the first one I sorta get, the G3-SG1...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/...5c7633b4_b.jpg

You select G3 production rifles that are particularly accurate and install a set trigger group and add optics, which results in the most accurate G3 package you can put together without reinventing the wheel. This was largely a response to Munich a proved a capable platform when messing with Baader Meinhoff / RAF types.

But since they took the time to redesign the trigger group with a set trigger option, why keep the select fire option at all? If you do go "full auto" you are going to dramatically shorten the "inherently accurate" aspects of the rifle in question.

The comes the MSG90, sniper rifle.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/hkusa/20140...-MSG90A1xX.jpg

And it's a "designed as" sniper rifle with a tuned trigger, reinforced receiver and optics but it's still a swing down lower. And while most, especially A1 variants have a 0-1 trigger group, you can swap in a standard G3 or even a G3-SG1 trigger group resulting in yet another select fire sniper rifle. I think I even recall early MSG90s with SEF groups.

Just seems odd. The PSG1 for example will NOT accept a swing down trigger group, so no way to have a select fire PSG1, which would make sense. But still has most of the other benefits of the G3 such as accepting 20 round standard magazines.

Then reading Chris Kyle's book, apparently he used to take his Knights M110 upper and drop it on his standard issue M4 lower. Now clearly he was an effective shot, but why on earth would you do that? The M4 stock is pretty much agreed on to be a less accurate platform than a fixed stock and it really only makes sense on a carbine type rifle.

And there are a couple other examples that existed in the 80s and 90s that were sniper weapons but had a full auto capacity. Why? I can't think of two things that have so little to do with each other.

I can see dropping optics on a G3 or FAL and in semi trying to place "your best accurate" shot for something important, but the reverse doesn't seem as practical.

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I chuckled after reading this because you’re 100% spot on. The first time I saw a MSG I wondered the same thing.

The "National Match" SKS variant always got a good laugh out of me

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Originally Posted by mack7.62

The MK23 Offensive Pistol.

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That thing is almost big enough to be a crew served weapon

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Originally Posted by sgtrock82

That thing is almost big enough to be a crew served weapon

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And yet for some reason it is one of my bucket list guns.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Then reading Chris Kyle's book, apparently he used to take his Knights M110 upper and drop it on his standard issue M4 lower. Now clearly he was an effective shot, but why on earth would you do that? The M4 stock is pretty much agreed on to be a less accurate platform than a fixed stock and it really only makes sense on a carbine type rifle..

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How does a M110 upper fit on a m4 lower?

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Then reading Chris Kyle's book, apparently he used to take his Knights M110 upper and drop it on his standard issue M4 lower. Now clearly he was an effective shot, but why on earth would you do that? The M4 stock is pretty much agreed on to be a less accurate platform than a fixed stock and it really only makes sense on a carbine type rifle.

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I know it's not considered kosher to speak ill of the dead, but Chris Kyle was a notorious lier. The man made several outlandish claims about his life and service that absolutely weren't true. For instance, he told a reporter during an interview that in 2009 he shot and killed two men who attempted to carjack him outside of a gas station in Midlothian, Texas. He claimed that law enforcement declined to investigate after:

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He said he gave the responding officers a phone number to call. Presumably someone high up in the government explained to the officers who Kyle was. He said the officers were very understanding, that they didn’t want to drag a just-home, highly decoratated veteran into a messy legal situation that would surely draw a harsh media spotlight.

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A story which is utterly ridiculous.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburne...ation-in-2009/

Then there's the story he told about how he was inserted into New Orleans during hurricane Katrina and sniped looters from the roof of the Superdome.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rican-history/

And don't even get me started on his imaginary bar fight with Jesse Ventura.

While I am grateful for Kyle's service, I just don't believe a word that came out of his mouth or from his book. Maybe PTSD is to blame? I don't know, but I know I don't believe him.

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Originally Posted by sgtrock82

The "National Match" SKS variant always got a good laugh out of me

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Oh, well, then, you'd just adore the norinco national match AK.

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Originally Posted by mack7.62

The MK23 Offensive Pistol.

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You have to think of that thing like the Borchardt 93 which led to the Luger. The Mk23 was the first gun with accessory rails for a mounted light, lasers and all that crap. It led to the USP and I think they were both the first ambi mag release handguns and a lot of other firsts.

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Originally Posted by Jsp10477

How does a M110 upper fit on a m4 lower?

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Nope


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