LEO shot and killed by homeowner.

#4 Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

This was very, very avoidable. This is no different than when cops hit the wrong house and shoot innocent homeowners. You had better be sure, especially if you are shooting at things outside your house. You can't just shoot at flashlights, that could have been a neighbor coming by the check on a "sketchy looking individual" that was in their yard a few moments ago, it could have been a guy looking for his dog, could have been just about anything.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

#4 Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

This was very, very avoidable. This is no different than when cops hit the wrong house and shoot innocent homeowners. You had better be sure, especially if you are shooting at things outside your house. You can't just shoot at flashlights, that could have been a neighbor coming by the check on a "sketchy looking individual" that was in their yard a few moments ago, it could have been a guy looking for his dog, could have been just about anything.

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Again, who said that the cop was outside?

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Originally Posted by docsherm

Again, who said that the cop was outside?

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Per your last post, I think FTO-poo was trying to show junior popo the “real way” and it got way too real.

Seen it before.

I have responded to alarm calls and got met with a homeowner with a gun but was never at any point down range of them.

Vandal has the right idea but there’s too much you can do to be safe.

Give a siren yelp.
Flash some blue lights
Get dispatch to get security system to do a call
Wait for back up
Stay clear of murderholes and gunports AKA doors and windows

If someone runs out toting a TV, game on.
If someone mopes out in ho chi minh slippers and a Def Leppard t shirt with their revolver, tragedy is averted.

You can always do a report. Home invasion is a different scenario. Because they will run, announce hostages, or start fighting regardless.

This is a thinking man’s game, y’all

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

#4 Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

This was very, very avoidable. This is no different than when cops hit the wrong house and shoot innocent homeowners. You had better be sure, especially if you are shooting at things outside your house. You can't just shoot at flashlights, that could have been a neighbor coming by the check on a "sketchy looking individual" that was in their yard a few moments ago, it could have been a guy looking for his dog, could have been just about anything.

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You guys have short memories or don't read. The police were responding to an alarm going off. Lost dogs don't set off alarms. For no knock warrants... The cops should expect to be shot. No knock warrants are a sore spot for me. If you kick down my door expect to be killed.

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Originally Posted by docsherm

Or the door was open and the cops came in. That is what I gathered from the articles I have seen. The fact that the Rangers are now involved makes me suspect there was a big mistake on the part of the police.

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My interpretation on the Rangers involvement is not because of a possible mistake but so there is an impartial investigation. So there are no accusations the officers agency is charging the homeowner out of spite or retribution.

From the article in the first post there are a hundred different ways it could’ve gone bad.

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Originally Posted by El Vaquero

My interpretation on the Rangers involvement is not because of a possible mistake but so there is an impartial investigation. So there are no accusations the officers agency is charging the homeowner out of spite or retribution.

From the article in the first post there are a hundred different ways it could’ve gone bad.

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That could be true but from what my friend, who is a Ranger tells me that would usually fall to the Sheriff Office as the Rangers usually only get involved for state level stuff or really bad situations.

But that could be the case. We will just have to wait and see.

Officer involved shootings are very often investigated by outside agencies. That in and of itself means nothing.

I do find it interesting that the same people that would complain about and assume officer Misconduct or abuse when they shoot someone in similar cases to this one are now defending the actions of this homeowner. Seems like you have to pick a side on this type of incident regardless who fired the shot. What would you have to say if the same officer shot the homeowner because he was walking around the house with a flashlight and a gun? The homeowners alarm went off, so he very likely knew it went off. What is a reasonable expection to happen when your alarm goes off. Police showing up seems reasonable to me, especially when you pay for that service expecting the police will be called and respond.

Officers going to the front door may or may not be unusual depending on a departments policy for alarm response. My department wants you to park away from the house, call in any tags of vehicles at the house, check the vehicles, check the perimeter, check the doors and windows, if a door is found to be unsecured clear the house. This is pretty much what every department remotely close to here does.

I don’t know exactly what happen or why. I’m not going to make assumptions either way, maybe some of you consider curbing some of that anti-police bias. I get that some people don’t like he police, and I get some people have a good and justified reason they don’t like the police. However, a vast, vast, vast majority of cops are good people doing the job the right way for the right reasons. This is similar to an active shooter event, all gun owners get blamed for someone else’s actions. All of us here complain and bitch about it, but yet some will turn around and do the same thing to cops.

Hey folks, all of the local news stations have conflicting stories. As far as I known; Yes, the Texas Rangers are investigating. The homeowner was arrested on man slaughter charges, but has already posted bail.. I’ll find the best link..

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Originally Posted by glockshooter

Officer involved shootings are very often investigated by outside agencies. That in and of itself means nothing.

I do find it interesting that the same people that would complain about and assume officer Misconduct or abuse when they shoot someone in similar cases to this one are now defending the actions of this homeowner. Seems like you have to pick a side on this type of incident regardless who fired the shot. What would you have to say if the same officer shot the homeowner because he was walking around the house with a flashlight and a gun? The homeowners alarm went off, so he very likely knew it went off. What is a reasonable expection to happen when your alarm goes off. Police showing up seems reasonable to me, especially when you pay for that service expecting the police will be called and respond.

Officers going to the front door may or may not be unusual depending on a departments policy for alarm response. My department wants you to park away from the house, call in any tags of vehicles at the house, check the vehicles, check the perimeter, check the doors and windows, if a door is found to be unsecured clear the house. This is pretty much what every department remotely close to here does.

I don’t know exactly what happen or why. I’m not going to make assumptions either way, maybe some of you consider curbing some of that anti-police bias. I get that some people don’t like he police, and I get some people have a good and justified reason they don’t like the police. However, a vast, vast, vast majority of cops are good people doing the job the right way for the right reasons. This is similar to an active shooter event, all gun owners get blamed for someone else’s actions. All of us here complain and bitch about it, but yet some will turn around and do the same thing to cops.

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Do you have any experience with or knowledge of the Texas Rangers and what part they play in Law Enforcement? The simple fact that they are immediately taking over the situation is a little off. It would be liek you having a bad shoot and the FBI coming in and taking over the investigation... Does that happen often?

There is no point of anti cop stuff here........ It is more anti BS. If you are walking around your house and a cop shoots you they need to be charged with murder. That was the stupidest this I have ever heard.

As for this people are concerned..... the cops are going to try and fry this guy NO MATTER WHO WAS WRONG The fact that there were three of them there means that two of them are getting their story straight.... and if you think that is anti LEO you are mistaken.... it is what we call survival instinct. Everyone does it. It just so happens that the Supreme Court has upheld that Cops are allowed to be ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heien_v._North_Carolina

These guys have one of two ways out if in fact there was and mistake on the side of law enforcement.. fry the homeowner as some crazy or throw the dead guy under the bus. What route do you think that they will take? That is a serious question.... If they throw the dead guy under the buss his name will be tarnished and the family could loose their benefits.. and what would the other officers on the force think of them?


This is basic human behavior. It is also why people are concerned about the Home owner.


As a police officer what is the best possible outcome for the homeowner, even if he is found to have done nothing wrong? Really?

Arrest affidavit update: Good video in the link.

Also on the OP.


https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Mi...506705051.html