Medicare for All

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Originally Posted by docsherm

I have a 20% copay for everything now. I could be on Prime and not have that 20% but I want to bigger network so I pay more.

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And, let me guess, work furnishes your insurance.

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Originally Posted by morbidbattlecry

I know plenty of people who work hard and can barely if not at all get buy. The world isn't as black and white as you think it is.

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Ok, then what are they doing to improve their situation? Besides playing Lotto.....

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

At this point you are just spouting the 'anyone can be President' dogma.

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Point is missed. There is a grey area but it is what YOU do to get out of it that makes you what you are. I did not say that people need to be taken advantage of. My point is the exact opposite. If a person is not smart enough to help themselves then they need to be helped. Throwing money at an issue never helps. There need stk be a plan put into place to help those that are not able to or smart enough to assist themselves. As for the lazy, they need to be put into a different category and let to rot with all of the other garbage.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

And, let me guess, work furnishes your insurance.

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Nope. I am on TriCare because I retired after 24 years in the Army busting my ass doing very challenging things. Hard work pays off.

See the system works.

My wife and I are on Tricare Prime now, because it works for us. I get irritated about the cost until I talk to my employees and peers who did not retire from the military.

We both qualify for free health care, Indian Health Service for her and the VA for me but I would rather pay for Tricare and the excellent IHS facility she can use is on the far side of the state (2 of my adult sons drive down for dental and routine medical).

When I think of Medicare for all, I think about my worst interactions with the VA and the time I waited 4 months for a MRI my VA doc insisted I need, the rare but well entrenched quacks working for the military health care system, then contemplate how much worse it would be if those same folks ran Healthcare for everyone, because they will be.

IME with 5-6 older relatives, Medicare works great. All had the supplemental insurance, all had the same doctors, hospitals they had prior to Medicare, and none ever paid a bill, it was covered 100%. Can't get much better than that.

Problem is, system is not self-sufficient. It is deficit spending and opening it up to more folks will only make the deficit bigger,. there is no way they will raise taxes enough to cover the costs.

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Originally Posted by docsherm

I really don't get this mentality. If you want more work hard and get it. Or are you saying t that some people are just too stupid to do this? It can really only be one of two ways:

1. All people are capable of advancing and those that don't are lazy.

2. Not all people are capable of advancing because some are too stupid.

I guess that there could be a #3. Some people blame everyone else to cover up the fact that they are inferior to those that are successful to try and make themselves feel better. But the reality is that is just a variation of #2.

The reality is that in the US there are so many possibilities that a person is only limited to their own imagination and drive.

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and when the lefties decide to destroy you because are a Christian ?
sadly this is happening now more and more

also now you can work hard be the best but sorry you are a white male ! this or that person gets the job before you because of the skin color or sex !

the day of a life long job is almost gone !
you were lucky for sure to be in the military and have that gov job in a sense but not everyone can do that ? health does hold some back etc..
then having gov healthcare of some kind because of that again i
and someone had to pay for all those soldiers to get what they did ! and some of those folks are now hosed for various reasons !
who would pay if every single person in the US was in for 25 years ? it could not exist or happen unless people took chances and did things and sometimes those things do get pulled down for various reasons

I do agree your points can be valid but have to also say that it is not just those two !

think of the coal mine worker that worked until he was 50 and now his company is gone pension is gone everything is gone ? and on top the whole town he lived in is dead now because of that ? often because some lefty rich democrat decided it was to dirty ? or the company moved the jobs to another country in some manufacture cases etc...
was that him being stupid or lazy ?

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Originally Posted by Renegade

IME with 5-6 older relatives, Medicare works great. All had the supplemental insurance, all had the same doctors, hospitals they had prior to Medicare, and none ever paid a bill, it was covered 100%. Can't get much better than that.

Problem is, system is not self-sufficient. It is deficit spending and opening it up to more folks will only make the deficit bigger,. there is no way they will raise taxes enough to cover the costs.

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This is spot on.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

IME with 5-6 older relatives, Medicare works great. All had the supplemental insurance, all had the same doctors, hospitals they had prior to Medicare, and none ever paid a bill, it was covered 100%. Can't get much better than that.

Problem is, system is not self-sufficient. It is deficit spending and opening it up to more folks will only make the deficit bigger,. there is no way they will raise taxes enough to cover the costs.

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That, on top of the problem that the US Government itself is not sufficient, and is all about deficit spending. That problem, along with the programs that it funds (like Medicare) won't manifest until the bill comes due...as it always does. Like Greece, for example.

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Originally Posted by morbidbattlecry

What we pay for a procedure and what the real cost is has is so out of wack it's unreal.

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What you are paying for is that you can have that procedure tomorrow right there in your home town, instead of 6 months from now and 350 miles away, which is what you'd get in the rest of those 1st world countries you reference. And your procedure will be top quality with the best-trained surgeons, and the latest, most advanced technology on the planet. I understand why you might think the cost is out of whack. What, in the list above, are you willing to give up?

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