Medicare for All

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Originally Posted by docsherm

Nope. I am on TriCare because I retired after 24 years in the Army busting my ass doing very challenging things. Hard work pays off.

See the system works.

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Sorry, I misread this, and got the impression you were saying you din't have TriCare due to mentioning both Select and Prime in the same sentence: I am not on TriCare Select for Retired. I have a 20% copay for everything now. I could be on Prime and not have that 20% but I want to bigger network so I pay more.

I'm also on TriCAre, but unlike you (apparently) I didn't do all my time active duty, so I had to wait until 60 to draw.

I'm grateful for the government assistance with my insurance, it allowed both my wife and myself to retire early and not have to worry about insurance.

Unlike an active component retiree, I had to pay health insurance premiums, along with co-pays, for most of my adult life, plus chunking away 1/4ish of my pay for retirement, again something I've often found the active component retiree often doesn't get.

Empathy doesn't mean sympathy, it simply means trying to look at things from the other person's perspective. Generally if both sides look at things with an empathetic mind, they can find middle ground to work from. Spotting the dogmatic response doesn't generally get you there.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Unlike an active component retiree, I had to pay health insurance premiums, along with co-pays, for most of my adult life, plus chunking away 1/4ish of my pay for retirement, again something I've often found the active component retiree often doesn't get.

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Active component service members generally retire and step directly into a job, because $1500 - 3K a month ain't exactly living high on the hog.

I retired from the military 10 years ago and plan to work another 10 before I retire at 60. I am contibuting 19% into my 401K now, pay (very small) premiums and (very small),co-pays for Tricare, (doesn't include vision or dental, by the way).

Andy

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Originally Posted by AndyLate

Active component service members generally retire and step directly into a job, because $1500 - 3K a month ain't exactly living high on the hog.

I retired from the military 10 years ago and plan to work another 10 before I retire at 60. I am contibuting 19% into my 401K now, pay (very small) premiums and (very small),co-pays for Tricare, (doesn't include vision or dental, by the way).

Andy

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Yep, I went with Aetna for both on the FEDVIP program.

Every time I hear the phrase...”free medical” or free lunch or free company car and so forth, I just shake my head. Nothing is free except the air you breath and possibly the water you drink (I am sure you have been charged for it as well). Some one or something has to pay for that free benefit. The Socialist dream is free stuff for everyone yet it still has to be paid for. More people are being added to medical dependency than are people whom have to pay into the system. This “free” health care system isn’t sustainable.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

At this point you are just spouting the 'anyone can be President' dogma.

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Yep. That's what they believe but they refuses to recon the fact that everyone can't be. Only one can be at a time. In his view all are failures except the one that made it. On my birth certificate it list my father's occupation as professional baseball player. He was but never got called up from the farm league. He was obviously a failure for not trying hard enough to make the big leagues. These people's logic is warped. They made it and refuse to admit any part of their success was due to being in the right place at the right time.

I worked my ass off to take every possible advantage of every opportunity that was presented to me. I went to school with many people who had less opportunity, worked even harder than me, and ended up in the same place as me. It's been a common thread throughout my professional career.

I think folks sometimes forget that we all don't have the same drive, aptitude or temperament.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

I also find it curious that we accept statements such as 'And by the way, I'll have to charge you for an ER consultation in addition to the office visit I just charged you for earlier that day while you were in my office.' without challenge. Why? Is it a law?

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Strange question. It's because I can't afford to work for free.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

I think folks sometimes forget that we all don't have the same drive, aptitude or temperament.

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Exactly. If it was a total lack of opportunity, I can see that. But apparently I should also help pay for their lack of drive, aptitude, and temperament. I was just listening to Elizabeth Warren providing that same explanation, after clarifying that she isn't a socialist.

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Originally Posted by Hmac

Strange question. It's because I can't afford to work for free.

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Or want to work for free........