Law Enforcement Losing the Ability to Protect the Citizens?

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03-07-19, 20:09
LowSpeed_HighDrag

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Originally Posted by jsbhike

Conversely, I think police, judges, and prosecutors should have to work a few years in some job where they have no authority and, more importantly, no immunity before they can take on those positions. Nothing is 100% perfect, of course, but that could thin the herd of some duds.

Must be 21 to be a Police Officer. Bachelors and JD to be a lawyer or judge.

Do you think the years between 18 and 21-26 were spent either on the couch, or working in positions of authority?

I thought the shtick was that cops are people that had NO authority in life and then suddenly got it and are lashing out for all those years of bullying they received?

Tongue in cheek aside, I don't think people should have to ride along with me to understand policing. I don't understand their job, I don't ask that they understand mine. I empathize with the stressors of their lives and job, and only ask they try to do the same with me.
03-07-19, 20:57
jsbhike

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Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag

Must be 21 to be a Police Officer. Bachelors and JD to be a lawyer or judge.

Do you think the years between 18 and 21-26 were spent either on the couch, or working in positions of authority?

I thought the shtick was that cops are people that had NO authority in life and then suddenly got it and are lashing out for all those years of bullying they received?

Tongue in cheek aside, I don't think people should have to ride along with me to understand policing. I don't understand their job, I don't ask that they understand mine. I empathize with the stressors of their lives and job, and only ask they try to do the same with me.

I don't think high school straight in to jumping through the hoops to get to any of those fields then in to the career is getting to experience the laws they want to apply to others. There is a tendency for breaks to be given to those effectively shadowing those career paths. Not so much a "walk a mile in another man's shoes" kind of thing than give them an opportunity to deal with others and lose their temper if that is their nature or commit some offense as a peon rather than being a judge's intern and getting out of the punishment via string pulling.

Nothing is an absolute of course, but entrenched duds are way too hard to get rid of.

Good that you do, but unfortunately that isn't a 100% universal thing.
03-07-19, 21:14
LowSpeed_HighDrag

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Originally Posted by jsbhike

I don't think high school straight in to jumping through the hoops to get to any of those fields then in to the career is getting to experience the laws they want to apply to others. There is a tendency for breaks to be given to those effectively shadowing those career paths. Not so much a "walk a mile in another man's shoes" kind of thing than give them an opportunity to deal with others and lose their temper if that is their nature. Too hard to get rid of an entrenched dud.

Nothing is an absolute of course.

Good that you do, but unfortunately that isn't a 100% universal thing.

That goes for every profession. Every job has those who believe, and it's probably true, that life would be easier if everyone had to walk a mile in their shoes before criticizing.
03-07-19, 21:20
jsbhike

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Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag

That goes for every profession. Every job has those who believe, and it's probably true, that life would be easier if everyone had to walk a mile in their shoes before criticizing.

That is probably true and one of the things my Grandpa always said was everyone should have to work awhile in a job dealing with the public.
03-07-19, 22:44
Uni-Vibe

Hey, a county in red state Kentucky is out of money? They wanted "small government." They got it!
03-07-19, 23:52
SteyrAUG

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Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag

Must be 21 to be a Police Officer.

Is that everywhere now? I know two brothers who both started working for Ft. Lauderdale PD at age 19, their parents actually had to purchase their handguns. This was mid 1990s, unfortunately one of the two brothers (twins) was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a homeless guy.
03-08-19, 00:01
LowSpeed_HighDrag

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Is that everywhere now? I know two brothers who both started working for Ft. Lauderdale PD at age 19, their parents actually had to purchase their handguns. This was mid 1990s, unfortunately one of the two brothers (twins) was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a homeless guy.

I suppose I don't know if that is universal. It is the rule in Colorado.
03-08-19, 06:17
platoonDaddy

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

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WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...o-protect.html
03-08-19, 06:26
LowSpeed_HighDrag

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Originally Posted by platoonDaddy

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...o-protect.html

Right on cue.
03-08-19, 06:49
jsbhike

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Is that everywhere now? I know two brothers who both started working for Ft. Lauderdale PD at age 19, their parents actually had to purchase their handguns. This was mid 1990s, unfortunately one of the two brothers (twins) was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a homeless guy.

Apparently it wasn't in Wisconsin as of 2007 and that incident was one of the things I had in mind when saying in the process of becoming an officer/prosecutor/judge isn't fully the same as living outside those groups.

https://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/15290921.html

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