Bad juju stuff.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

We should probably keep in mind that for almost 10 years everything in Germany was nazi and the postal inspector probably had a swastika on his uniform somewhere. I understand what that stuff represents, but not everyone worked in a death camp and not every firearm killed somebody.

Then there are trophies, what if your uncle or some other relative fought in the war and captured a Luger. Would that still bother you? I knew a guy who was jewish and had flags his grandfathered captured in his firearms room.

Along those lines, when European jews in Palestine fought to create Israel, one of the primary rifles used were German K-98s complete with waffenampts. This is why I can't assign a presence to objects, is that rifle evil for helping the Germans fight their war of oppression or is the rifle good because it helped those who were being oppressed fight for their independence?

To me it's just a rifle with lots of history.

I understand association, for example I wouldn't want to own anything used by a serial killer, but here I don't think the object has any "juju" I just don't want anything to do with that stuff. I wouldn't want to own artwork by Manson for example.

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My grandfather had a captured Luger, my uncle still has it along with his 1911. That's not where this comes from.

I have no issues what so ever with others collecting this stuff and would never state otherwise. yes, it is illogical, yes, it is soul less stuff, and yes, it is completely stupid to allow it to give me the heebie jeebies they way it does. Yet, here I sit. Same concept as those that have a fear of heights even when they have never fallen from anything. Just weirdness.

I sincerely appreciate folks like you that keep that history alive, because it's important.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Might have went like that, but unlikely as his uniform was perfect.

He either died before he could get back to her and she simply kept the ring with his other effects or when he died after the war she put the ring in the box with his uniform and medals.

The ring was rather simple so hard to say if it was an engagement or wedding ring.

When I found the ring many years later I wondered if I should try and return it to her but I didn't know if it would provide comfort in her later years or simply open old wounds that she had put behind her.

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Maybe I'm mistaken about how the military does things, but I took your story as they probably shipped his body home and she got to go to his funeral. Maybe because they were married or engaged she got his other uniforms instead of his mother. I don't even know if the military would even give the family all of a serviceman's stuff, but that's how I initially took your story.

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Originally Posted by WickedWillis

I work in the welding supply industry. Working with compressed gases, and the like. I see Nazi cylinders, typically from Linde, almost daily. When the allies captured them, they turned the swastika into what looks like a window, for example;
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7829/...7ec2564c54.jpg2019-03-26_02-05-10 by Willis, on Flickr

I am still amazed at how many of these are still in circulation. Can't help but think they were used for much worse than just oxy fuel cutting and so-on.

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If I am correct 2-59+ means the tank was put into service in February 1959 and certified for 10% overpressure.

Anyhow, 1959 was after WWII.

The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia, used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck until the 1930s, when it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan identity and, as a result, it was stigmatized by its association with ideas of racism and antisemitism. Wiki

As you may know, numerous businesses used the swastika as a symbol before the Nazi's co-opted the symbol.

Here is an example:

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I don't think the story of Nazi cylinders has legs when you consider that after WWII ended we were junking equipment in place rather than bringing it home. In view of that the mother lode of Nazi gas cylinders probably wouldn't have made the boat.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

When I was a teenager I had what might be characterized as a genuine encounter with a demonic entity.

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Please explain what happened.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

If I am correct 2-59+ means the tank was put into service in February 1959 and certified for 10% overpressure.

Anyhow, 1959 was after WWII.

The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia, used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck until the 1930s, when it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan identity and, as a result, it was stigmatized by its association with ideas of racism and antisemitism. Wiki

As you may know, numerous businesses used the swastika as a symbol before the Nazi's co-opted the symbol.

Here is an example:

Attachment 56593

I don't think the story of Nazi cylinders has legs when you consider that after WWII ended we were junking equipment in place rather than bringing it home. In view of that the mother lode of Nazi gas cylinders probably wouldn't have made the boat.

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You are correct about the date being in 59, which as we both know is after WW2. However, that could have been the first time it was hydro'd in the US. I have seen some that were not made into windows, that are legit swastikas still, in fact I believe our GM still has a cylinder like that, I will find out.

The oldest hydro date that I have seen on a cylinder was 1919. Just a quick google search for "Linde Swastika" and you will see I'm not making this stuff up.

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Originally Posted by KUSA

Please explain what happened.

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Well I'm not sure everyone wants this to turn into a paranormal encounter thread. I don't tell it very often.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

Well I'm not sure everyone wants this to turn into a paranormal encounter thread. I don't tell it very often.

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I certainly respect that. I made a thread just for it.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...anormal-thread

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Originally Posted by Norseman

My grandfather had a captured Luger, my uncle still has it along with his 1911. That's not where this comes from.

I have no issues what so ever with others collecting this stuff and would never state otherwise. yes, it is illogical, yes, it is soul less stuff, and yes, it is completely stupid to allow it to give me the heebie jeebies they way it does. Yet, here I sit. Same concept as those that have a fear of heights even when they have never fallen from anything. Just weirdness.

I sincerely appreciate folks like you that keep that history alive, because it's important.

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I get it. People have their "things", there is stuff I want nothing to do with also.

Yours is just a common one and usually without the realization that you at least possess.

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Originally Posted by Norseman

Greg's thread on having his stolen Wilson returned kind of had a small side drift that got me to thinking about the whole "bad juju" thing.

What are some of the places and things that have given, at the individual level, a generally bad vibe. I.E; the bad juju.

For me, Things:

Anything Nazi marked. Especially guns. won't shoot, handle or even let them in my house. Couldn't pay me to take one. Epitome of bad juju in my world. judge me as you see fit.

Places:

Montezumas Castle in Las Vegas, NM. Can't explain why, but one of the few places that when I was in there the feeling of dread was overwhelming to the point of having a hard time breathing. Could not get out fast enough. Again, not sure of the "why", but will never set foot in that place again if I can help it.

Anyone else care to share?

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What about a rifle with a Swastika, "7.62 MM," and a Star of David on it?

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

Dang. That story gives me chills.

That GI may have lied wounded in a foxhole, or some shithole hospital somewhere, and died wondering how he was going to get back to her. Or he bought it instantly from an exploding shell or something and never knew what hit him.

He more than likely never had a chance to write to her and tell her to prepare herself for his demise.

That poor woman's hopes and dreams for the rest of her life probably died with a visit from two military guys, or a letter, or telegram, or whatever. She probably cried for weeks and finally out of grief put the engagement ring in that pocket in an effort to "keep the two together." She may have remained broken-hearted and single forever, or she may have married someone whom she loved but who never quite lived up to the one she "lost in the war."



She lived an entire life after that incident, and that expensive ring that some GI scrimped and saved for, or finagled from someone he knew just became a forgotten gesture.

Bad juju for sure.

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Or he survived the war, came home, lived a long and happy life, and died sometime later. For some reason he kept his uniform. Eventually his widow finds the uniform and puts the ring in it. Maybe it was the uniform he was wearing when he proposed.

I won’t have that “Punisher” logo on anything I own, reminds me too much of the genocide that occurred in the 20th Century.

A co-worker once gave me an old German bayonet (maybe WW1 era) and when I showed it to my wife she got a really bad feeling about it (and she is very intuitive, so much so that I defer to her judgement when she has a bad feeling about a place when we’re traveling).