Question about military general discharge

As others have stated, you know long before your discharge date that you will be receiving a General Discharge.

When I gave Soldiers Article-15’s for substance abuse, the final statement on the document told them that they were beginning the Chapter process and if separated, they would be separated with a General Discharge - Under Honorable Conditions.

Most Lower Enlisted are allowed to come up “hot” on a UA more than once before they are actually kicked out.

Yep. I know of several instances of that happening.

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Originally Posted by TexHill

We had a guy who repeated failed his PT test - on purpose most likely - and he received a general discharge.

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Originally Posted by telecustom

Most Lower Enlisted are allowed to come up “hot” on a UA more than once before they are actually kicked out.

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You sure? Is that command discretion? I’ve always seen it as a one and done type thing, unlike PT tests.

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Originally Posted by Averageman

I believe, but I may be wrong here, there a lot of ways this can happen.
If you have had a record of UCMJ actions and get another one just as you're going out the door, well there you go.
DUI is another one, so is a hot piss test, so is adultery.
Usually they will just bar you from reenlistment in most cases and forget to wave goodbye as you exit the front gate, but there is some elastic there.
It can be rather subjective sometimes, Commanders have a lot of power in such cases.
I was in a bar fight as an E-4, someone grabbed me from behind and I spun and punched him in the face. My bad it was a Staff Sergeant from another Company who was pulling Courtesy Patrol that night. I actually really liked the guy.
In my defense, we were all feeling pretty damned salty, we had been in the field for 90 days, my friend was on his back taking the beating of his young life and I was trying to extract him when I was grabbed from behind. When you're twenty years old stuff like that happens, but my Commander barred me from reenlistment and threatened a general discharge after taking my rank, my money and extra duty. There may have been some Strippers involved.
The next Company Commander and Battalion Commander lifted the bar and I made E-5 eighteen months later.

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Thanks again, that guy was whipping my ass.

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Originally Posted by Wake27

You sure? Is that command discretion? I’ve always seen it as a one and done type thing, unlike PT tests.

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When I was in (see sigline) if you were E-4 and below you got a second chance; E-5 and above were processed for discharge. "General Under Honorable" was supposedly what it was at that point.

Does it make a difference what they hit for?


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Originally Posted by ABNAK

When I was in (see sigline) if you were E-4 and below you got a second chance; E-5 and above were processed for discharge. "General Under Honorable" was supposedly what it was at that point.

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Actually a lot of Joes get saved if the arresting officer is willing to work with them on DUIs. Unofficially speaking they better have in writing they are under orders to get dependence counseling.

If there is a wreck or injury, F' em.
Caught before they can do damage, work with them if they are worth it.

Again JMO and totally unofficial, hypothetical, academic 'what if'

Everyone makes mistakes but at the same time you should know better.

What kind of screw up would result in General Other Than Honorable as opposed to General Under Honorable?

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Actually a lot of Joes get saved if the arresting officer is willing to work with them on DUIs. Unofficially speaking they better have in writing they are under orders to get dependence counseling.

If there is a wreck or injury, F' em.
Caught before they can do damage, work with them if they are worth it.

Again JMO and totally unofficial, hypothetical, academic 'what if'

Everyone makes mistakes but at the same time you should know better.

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I should have clarified that I was talking about piss tests. A DUI was probably dealt with the same if memory serves.

There was a guy from the 101st who, when they got back from the invasion of Iraq, got pulled over for a DUI. The arresting cop (Clarksville PD) cut him some slack since the unit had just got back from a year-long combat tour. He made the soldier lock up his vehicle and leave it by the side of the road, then took him onto base to his barracks. The friggin' idiot went in and got a buddy to drive him to his vehicle, and subsequently got pulled over again by the same cop!. Cop was like "Now you're getting a DUI." Oh well, dude cut you some slack and you looked a gift horse in the mouth.....pay the piper.