Reason #468 Why We Shouldn't Be Doing Any Business With Vietnam...

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Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag

MEDIA is one of those interesting words, one with many definitions and uses. Surely, you cannot think that any member of this forum would advocate our NEWS media as being any more genuine or honest than any of the dictatorship ruled countries.

Print, online, and film media: read TV Shows, YouTube, Hollywood movies, are what the people are clamoring for. Infusing that into their system would show them a world that their NEWS media has been lying to them about their entire lives.

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I was hoping LOL. Best case scenario that came to mind with mainstream was mayyybe ours could be a little less blatant/onerous than theirs with a goal of weaning them over, but figured our somewhat more subtle media can be even more insidious than foreign cult of personality level propaganda.

Anyway, you had to spell it out to me so all is good!:)

Mullah's and Cult of Personalities are no match for Britney Spears in that Catholic Girls School outfit video... which is 10 years old now.

Been to Vietnam. All these western chain stores, world's 3rd worst cell phone coverage, and posters on bus stops about the American "Air Pirates"- it is a mixed bag. But overall, very pro US people.

Our business partner there was the son of a guy who worked for the US. After the US left in the 70s, his dad was sent to a camp and told to either kill himself or his family would suffer. He killed himself and his family still suffered. BUT, with all the boom in business, he rose up and became successful. He got over it, and its his country and countryman than killed his dad and uncles. Now he tools around HoChiMin City in a sick Mercedes sedan.

The VC won the last battle and we won the long war.

Just like China and Russia, Vietnam is a very active player in Cyber theft, targeting US companies. They are no friends of ours.

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-...age-apt32.html

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Originally Posted by flenna

The problem is that Islam is incompatible with Liberty and Justice and Democracy.

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That's why we would have to introduce several generations to these concepts and get them to not take the koran so literally. It wouldn't be easy but it isn't impossible.

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Originally Posted by jsbhike

Saudis and others would have to be knocked down also for that to work.

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No argument here.

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Originally Posted by Nightvisionary

There is a line of demarcation with state actors in Korea. None of that exists in Afghanistan. 2000 years of history do not support the probability of success. If I had to place my bets Americans including everyone here will disavow Liberty, Justice, democracy and the 2A long before the people of Afghanistan will embrace those alien principles. The Taliban didn't execute 9/11 they just harbored the Saudi prince that did and the founders of this country warned us of the dangers of foreign entanglements. 20 years is enough.

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But we didn't just draw a line in the sand and leave the Koreans to their own devices. I don't know anybody that thinks the Taliban executed 9/11 and I didn't say they did.

Yeah, for 2000 years the armies of many nations have tried to conquer and subjugate the peoples of Afghanistan and failed. That's not what I'm suggesting. If we leave A-stan now it will revert right back to what it was. We have to show them how beneficial it is to engage with the outside world. Like LowSpeed_HighDrag said about Cuba, we need to expose them to our media. It won't be easy or pretty but it'll be a lot uglier when we have to go back and the bloodshed and lives lost will have been meaningless.

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Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Mullah's and Cult of Personalities are no match for Britney Spears in that Catholic Girls School outfit video... which is 10 years old now.

Been to Vietnam. All these western chain stores, world's 3rd worst cell phone coverage, and posters on bus stops about the American "Air Pirates"- it is a mixed bag. But overall, very pro US people.

Our business partner there was the son of a guy who worked for the US. After the US left in the 70s, his dad was sent to a camp and told to either kill himself or his family would suffer. He killed himself and his family still suffered. BUT, with all the boom in business, he rose up and became successful. He got over it, and its his country and countryman than killed his dad and uncles. Now he tools around HoChiMin City in a sick Mercedes sedan.

The VC won the last battle and we won the long war.

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Hit Me Baby One More Time is old enough to order drinks....

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Originally Posted by HKGuns

Just like China and Russia, Vietnam is a very active player in Cyber theft, targeting US companies. They are no friends of ours.

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Should we then treat Israel as a foreign adversary?

https://www.businessinsider.com/isra...ls-2014-5?IR=T

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Originally Posted by Belloc

Should we then treat Israel as a foreign adversary?

https://www.businessinsider.com/isra...ls-2014-5?IR=T

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Not spying on US soil and inside the US, like on and in are necessary.

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Originally Posted by CommO

I first learned of this American hero while attending a course at JFKSWCS. COL Rowe wrote one of the best books I've ever read, Five Years to Freedom, about his time in captivity. It is an absolutely amazing survival story. As you'd expect, it's extremely instructional, but it reads like a novel.

To clarify, COL Rowe was held neither in Hanoi nor by the NVA. For his entire 5 years as a prisoner, he was held in small jungle camps (and moved often) in extreme southern Vietnam, in what was then called IV Corps, by VietCong forces. This is an important distinction, and it is discussed in the book, especially given the time frame of his captivity relative to the rest of the war's history (and the friction between leadership in Hanoi and VC leadership in SVN.

But I appreciate how you feel Steyr. I'm conflicted, but every time I re-ead that book, my anger towards COL Rowe's captors is renewed.

Semper Fi.

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It's an excellent book. I read it years ago and got the audio book recently. It was even better listening to the book.

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Originally Posted by jsbhike

Not spying on US soil and inside the US, like on and in are necessary.

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And you know that how?

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Originally Posted by Belloc

And you know that how?

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Tapping in to telecommunications would seem to do the trick of spying without being on US soil.