A Conversation About Firearms in America - Talking Points

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Originally Posted by JC5188

Last time the NRA called me, I asked to be removed from the call/mailing list. I’ve not received anything except renewal reminders since. I’ve spoken with others who had the same results. Could not have been easier.

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Same here, yet some would rather not be a member then make this minimal effort.

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Originally Posted by Bulletdog

As usual, Steyr is a sensible guy with well articulated points. However, I have to disagree on this one. Sitting back with a sense of righteous indignation that the other side would dare question our inalienable rights and mentally deciding that the matter is already obvious and already decided is what has led us to this point.

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Slight misunderstanding. I'm not sitting back doing nothing and just say "because rights" and leaving it at that. I'm an NRA life member. When I can I donate to the ILA. Every year I probably make more phone calls and send more emails to representatives and the NRA regarding potential legislation than the NRA does. I participate in every GOA legislative alert that comes my way. I'm also a member of a local hunting club, even though I don't hunt anymore, just so I can be involved in teaching gun safety to kids who are new to hunting.

I do what I can that will be effective.

But I don't do missionary work. When I get together with a group of people I know socially I don't ask "Have you heard the good news about guns?" I don't tell people they need a gun and I don't bring it up unless they are asking me about guns.

Now if I'm with a group of people I know socially and someone mentions something like they are afraid of guns, I ask them if they've ever been shooting before and usually they say something like "No because I don't know anything about guns" at which point I will offer to take them shooting and teach them the basics.

But I'm not going door to door or anything like that. I get you are behind the lines and things are different, like I said these things are zip code dependent.

If you are doing this to get more people out to shoot with you at fun shoots, you might as well start talking to people that actually own guns already. You will be sorely disappointed,though. Getting gun owners out to shoot, especially any form of competition, is amazingly tough to do. They'll make excuses about not having the time, not having the money for ammo and all sorts of excuses why they don't like to compete at anything.

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Originally Posted by Averageman

You have much more patience than I do then. When someone opens their mouth and stupid comes out that's one thing, but when they demand I comply and go along with "stupid", I'm done with them.
I literally wouldn't piss on them if they ran by me while on fire, so I'm certainly not going to make them comfortable while they negotiate my rights with me.

I will stand by taking a non-shooter or a kid to the range, specifically someone without the corrosive level of vitriol anti's seem to have made famous.

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I don't think its patience. I think its determination. Perhaps frustration over the BS that surrounds us all. There is also a sense of accomplishment when you get through to someone. There is a point where my attitude turns to FU when dealing with someone that is willfully ignorant, or when they are not ignorant but have genuine ill intentions toward my country. Not only would I refuse to piss on their flaming corpses, I'd be tempted to set them on fire in the first place if I were less of a law abiding citizen.

Taking people to the range is a pastime of mine too. I've introduced a heck of a lot of people to the fun of shooting and introduced them to the good fight at the same time. Many had no idea about the subversive lies they are being bombarded with. No clue about revisionist history, or what it means when The Berner says "I'm a socialist" and why that is a bad thing to vote for. They have a clue now. And many of them now own their own guns and vote to preserve the 2A. One of them just got accepted as a member of the private range I belong to and now he can go shooting there without me.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Same here, yet some would rather not be a member then make this minimal effort.



Slight misunderstanding. I'm not sitting back doing nothing and just say "because rights" and leaving it at that. I'm an NRA life member. When I can I donate to the ILA. Every year I probably make more phone calls and send more emails to representatives and the NRA regarding potential legislation than the NRA does. I participate in every GOA legislative alert that comes my way. I'm also a member of a local hunting club, even though I don't hunt anymore, just so I can be involved in teaching gun safety to kids who are new to hunting.

I do what I can that will be effective.

But I don't do missionary work. When I get together with a group of people I know socially I don't ask "Have you heard the good news about guns?" I don't tell people they need a gun and I don't bring it up unless they are asking me about guns.

Now if I'm with a group of people I know socially and someone mentions something like they are afraid of guns, I ask them if they've ever been shooting before and usually they say something like "No because I don't know anything about guns" at which point I will offer to take them shooting and teach them the basics.

But I'm not going door to door or anything like that. I get you are behind the lines and things are different, like I said these things are zip code dependent.

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Copy that. Heard and understood.

I always thought guns were neat and enjoyed shooting, but didn't have a clue about the 2nd Amendment until early 90's when the owner of the gym I went to/FFL holder have me a copy of a Shotgun News and I saw the founders quotes mixed in the ads. I thought it was bogus, but I went and looked it up in the library and learned a lot. Maybe leave some info laying around to pique curiosity?

Sounds like your gun club is better than average. Many are inundated with Fudds at best in controlling positions.

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Originally Posted by jsbhike

I always thought guns were neat and enjoyed shooting, but didn't have a clue about the 2nd Amendment until early 90's when the owner of the gym I went to/FFL holder have me a copy of a Shotgun News and I saw the founders quotes mixed in the ads. I thought it was bogus, but I went and looked it up in the library and learned a lot. Maybe leave some info laying around to pique curiosity?

Sounds like your gun club is better than average. Many are inundated with Fudds at best in controlling positions.

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And probably nobody did that thing better than the late Aaron Zelman. From things like "Gun Control is Racist" and other meticulously sourced articles he really exposed the true nature of gun control as inherently evil. He was one of the few who pointed out the obvious, that firearm ownership is a civil right and every bit as important as freedom of religion, freedom of expression, the right to vote, etc.

Anytime anyone tried to suggest it referred to a "militia" in terms of the National Guard, he was quick to clarify that the second amendment is found in the first 10 amendments known as the "bill of rights" which are all rights "of the people" and then he'd point out that the National Guard wouldn't be defined as an "organized militia" until the Dick Act of 1906 so it couldn't possible be the militia referred to within the second amendment.

Zelman used to quickly and decisively shut down the gun grabbers, and unlike people today who like to call any form of conservatism "nazi's", when he called out the gun grabbers as "nazi's" it had quite a bit more validity.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Zelman used to quickly and decisively shut down the gun grabbers, and unlike people today who like to call any form of conservatism "nazi's", when he called out the gun grabbers as "nazi's" it had quite a bit more validity.

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Too bad Ben Shapiro couldn't pick up Zelman's banner... his writings were invaluable for taking on gun-grabbing little goosesteppers back in junior high and high school, and it was funny watching a Marxist poli-sci prof tie himself in knots trying to rebut AZ. I also sent a link to this thread to some buddies Up North to help in their efforts against Trudeau's latest gun-grab too.

Ben Shapiro is a closeted homosexual Neo-Con shill who can kiss my black ass.

huge facts. Get dem facts, nickel.

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Ben Shapiro is a closeted homosexual Neo-Con shill who can kiss my black ass.

huge facts. Get dem facts, nickel.

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Never even heard of him, looked him up and now I know why I never heard of him. More opinion presented as fact, their side - our side, it all offends me.

If the day ever comes when people want to look at only what happened and how it happened, without speculating on why (or worse), we just might accomplish something. Editorial news should be banned, it used to be local opinion and not the main story.

My point re Shapiro was the waste of potential he embodies--he coulda been so much more, though the same could be said about me too. LOL

He's a gasbag all right, kinda like Ann Coulter.