Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

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Originally Posted by AKDoug

I've never assumed that the NRA was pure as driven snow. In fact, I think they are far worse than the article probably portrays. My expectations are low.

HOWEVER, there is no bigger and better dog in the fight. Washington politics is a dirty business that requires dirty lobbying groups to fight for your desired special interest. There is NOBODY doing the job they are doing. The GOA is o.k., but they've got a long way to go.

This article is a perfect way for the mainstream media to chip away at NRA membership. Create more distrust and division among gun owners. I'm actually shocked that it hasn't been happening more often.

The NRA's power through how much money they contribute in political races is totally overblown. They are overshadowed significantly by other lobby groups, unions, and corporations.

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Saved me some typing. It frustrates me that far too often the GOA is sending out "contact your reps" emails while the NRA does basically nothing. But people still fear the bark of the NRA to a certain extent.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Saved me some typing. It frustrates me that far too often the GOA is sending out "contact your reps" emails while the NRA does basically nothing. But people still fear the bark of the NRA to a certain extent.

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The NRA does do stuff.
You get letters asking for more money.

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Yawn.

I will stand with the NRA until **I** decide not to stand with the NRA, and for *ME*, I am not close to that point yet. Going to the NRA exhibition this Friday and hopefully talk to LAV and Chuck Norris and see a bunch of old friends there. While the NRA is not perfect and I would do some things quite differently, I think it would be close to unanimously agreed upon, without the NRA , we would have pretty much lost ALL out firearms and second amendment rights a long time ago. That is undebatable. VOTE for TRUMP 2020 !!!
Remember there is strength in unity, but divided we are weak and will lose.

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Originally Posted by Bulletdog

So you're telling me that an organization that has thousands of staff members, millions of members, and functions on donated money might have some corruption and corrupt people involved with it??? Shocker!

Should we all turn our backs on the entire organization and just lets the Dems have their way with us?

Think about it. There is a reason why all the people who want to take our guns HATE the NRA and cry and complain about them every chance they get. It is not because the NRA is incompetent. It is not because the NRA fails to stop them in their tracks on a regular basis. Where would we be today without the NRA? Hell yes, they've made mistakes. So have I. Hell no, I don't always agree with them. Would any of you prefer they weren't there?

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I never said the NRA was incompetent or making mistakes.

I simply asked how giving A ratings and endorsements to anti 2nd Amendment politicians is holding their feet to the fire.

Democrats having their way with us? Was it consensual in Florida last year since it was a GOP legislature and governor doing the gun control with Marion Hammer bringing them to heel?

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Originally Posted by AKDoug

This article is a perfect way for the mainstream media to chip away at NRA membership. Create more distrust and division among gun owners. I'm actually shocked that it hasn't been happening more often.

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Kind of what I thought when I read it. Which is also one reason I mentioned the pedigree of the authors.

Also expected the same rational for continued support.

The thought I have is if the NRA members were able to correct this state of affairs, the NRA would be more efficient AND effective.

Situational ethics and self-interest before principals in our foreign policy are pretty much why we have the mess we have today. Not sure the same doesn't apply to the NRA.

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Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Kind of what I thought when I read it. Which is also one reason I mentioned the pedigree of the authors.

Also expected the same rational for continued support.

The thought I have is if the NRA members were able to correct this state of affairs, the NRA would be more efficient AND effective.

Situational ethics and self-interest before principals in our foreign policy are pretty much why we have the mess we have today. Not sure the same doesn't apply to the NRA.

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Why would/should the NRA change anything? They are doing quite well bringing in revenue as is. Changing anything with how they operate to try to attract new members could end up being like Coca Cola changing formulas back in the 80's and losing their base.

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Originally Posted by Biggy

I think it would be close to unanimously agreed upon, without the NRA , we would have pretty much lost ALL out firearms and second amendment rights a long time ago. That is undebatable.

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I dont think so , they are the ones who supported everything we have lost.



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Originally Posted by jsbhike

Why would/should the NRA change anything?

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Because it appears to me, simple shit that I am, that the head honchos are bilking the membership by double dipping, paying outlandish fees to buddies in return for favors - to them personally - down the road.

Do you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, think that former Democrat Wayne LaPierre, actually gives a fvck about your AR? Nope, he hopped on the NRA pony in 1977 and is riding it for all it's worth:

Later that year (in 1977), Wayne LaPierre began working for the N.R.A., as a lobbyist. LaPierre, a former Democratic legislative aide with little experience handling guns, was not obviously suited to a role as a firebrand.

In 2014, NRA contributions totaled $103 million and LaPierre's compensation was $985,885. In 2015, NRA contributions totaled $95 million. In that year, LaPierre received a $3.7 million "employee funded deferred compensation plan", which was required by federal law, according to the NRA raising his total annual compensation to $5,110,985.

Let's see, $5,110,985 was 5.4% of the total take of the NRA for that year. Yep, he's down in the trenches with us, lots of skin in the game. LOL

NRA isn't perfect and I would like to see some changes, like them growing larger balls and NEVER caving on ANY firearm or firearm accessory related issue, EVER.

That being said, if you are only a member of the NRA, you are doing it wrong. Big time.

26Inf, et al- if you don't like how the NRA is doing things, are you at least contributing to all/some of these?


GOA/Gun Owners of America
SAF/The Second Amendment Foundation
JFPO/Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Constitutional Rights PAC (This one goes beyond just 2A, but that's a big part of their mission.
FPC/Firearms Policy Coalition
WAGC/Women against gun control
Citizens Committee for the right to Keep and Bear Arms

_______ <-- Insert local gun rights org.

We need every dog in this fight we can get, including the NRA in my opinion.

I contribute to all fo the above and my local RMGO. How about you guys?