Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

Have fun staying married to an abusive spouse then. I bet there's a letter asking for money in your mailbox right now.

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That's fine. Its clear you don't understand washington which in this instance is all I care about. Unless there is a massive sea change among the populus (which I think most on this board would agree is going the opposite way) the best use of money is blocking new laws. That is done with lobbying power and if you think any of the other 2nd amendment organizations has even a little you're fooling yourself.

Any headway made will be done in the courts and guess who funds a lot of those lawsuits? I don't really care what any conservative thinks about Trump because when it's all over it will all have been about judges. Judges are the key to rolling back these laws.

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Originally Posted by themonk

Any headway made will be done in the courts and guess who funds a lot of those lawsuits? I don't really care what any conservative thinks about Trump because when it's all over it will all have been about judges. Judges are the key to rolling back these laws.

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This is absolutely true. I honestly don't know that lobbying does as much as it used to. How many times have the Repubs caved in on more gun restrictions? Not all, to be sure, but how come our side is not in lock-step supporting the 2A as the Dems are in lock-step opposing it? The only front where we appear to be winning is in appointing conservative judges. The Heller decision was a huge win. HUGE.

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Originally Posted by 223to45

Really?

Who supported the NFA.
Who supported the 68 GCA.
Who supported the machine gun ban.
Who supported and called for the bump stock ban.
Who is supporting and calling for Red Flag laws.

With friends like that who needs enemies.

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Yep...

They are feeding themselves at OUR expense.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

This is absolutely true. I honestly don't know that lobbying does as much as it used to. How many times have the Repubs caved in on more gun restrictions? Not all, to be sure, but how come our side is not in lock-step supporting the 2A as the Dems are in lock-step opposing it? The only front where we appear to be winning is in appointing conservative judges. The Heller decision was a huge win. HUGE.

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It's not that easy. There are a lot of Repubs that come from centrist districts that may not want to make it known where they stand on the issue. I need them in office more than I need them speaking out on the issue. They will hold the line when asked (or pressured by the NRA). We are on defence right now and we have to fight from a defensive position.

In my mind the NRA needs to focus on education and gun safety along with lobbying and lawsuits. Skeletor (Lapierre) is not winning hearts and minds of soccer moms but neither is any 2nd amendment organization. Education and gun safety is extremely important in bring the populous back into the fold.

As I said, nothing changes until Skeletor is gone. Hopefully they can get rid of him this week!

Maybe Chuck Norris can save the NRA as soon as he's done selling a ton of Glocks.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

I seriously think the JPFO could give the NRA a run for its money, or at least from what I know of them from a few years ago. Could have changed I guess.

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One problem, most people have heard of the NRA, nobody in Washington knows what the JPFO even is.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

This is absolutely true. I honestly don't know that lobbying does as much as it used to. How many times have the Repubs caved in on more gun restrictions? Not all, to be sure, but how come our side is not in lock-step supporting the 2A as the Dems are in lock-step opposing it? The only front where we appear to be winning is in appointing conservative judges. The Heller decision was a huge win. HUGE.

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True, but even that was Second Amendment Foundation ramming it up NRA's ass without lube. SAF is the real prime mover in the Lawfare.

This should not divide us. If you let it divide us you are falling into their trap. Support both the NRA and GOA and any other legitimate force helping keep the .gov at bay.

The answer isn't one or the other, it is both.

No, the NRA isn't perfect, GOA isn't perfect either. The NRA has made mistakes in the past and I expect they will make more. Doesn't change the fact that if the NRA loses, we all lose.

Why so many gun owners are binary is confounding to me. It is exactly why we keep losing. Let's stroll back in time to the summer of 2016 when so many were against Trump. Well, regardless of his imperfections, he's the most conservative President we've had in a very long time. Yes, including the stupid, utterly unenforceable bump stock ban. Yet, many of you continue the quest for the perfect candidate.

We'd all be better off if you just didn't vote.

First thing the NRA needs to do is shove the Frenchman Fudd onto his sword by force, since he told a meeting of boardmembers asking for his resignation to f--- off just today.

Second, re-charter anywhere BUT New York.

Third, bring in forensic accountants to figure out where the money went and bring legal action against those who violated their fiduciary duties.

We know nothing changes until Lapierre's scalp is run up the flagpole.

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Originally Posted by Diamondback

True, but even that was Second Amendment Foundation ramming it up NRA's ass without lube. SAF is the real prime mover in the Lawfare.

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Guess where Alan Gottlieb and the SAF booth is today? That's right, the NRA national convention.