Armed Mexican personnel surround and disarm US soldiers on US SOIL

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04-23-19, 11:50
Wake27

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Originally Posted by docsherm

I will break this down very simply.

Those soldiers are lucky as F@#K. Based on the reports and the description they were at best Mexican Army working for a Cartel. They could have rented up with tires around them and set on fire. Bad things happen to the CBP all of the time. Dealing with a foreign gov is easy..... they usually play by the rules and don't do crazy crap.

On the other hand when you are dealing with non-state actors everything goes out the window. That is what is going on there.

For anyone that HAS actually worked these areas the variables and actions must be relooked at as the rules of the game are completely different. Never take anything for granted. Don't think that the State Department will get you out because you may simply end up with a bullet in the back of your head in the middle of nowhere before it ever comes to that.

The real issue here is sending out a 2 man patrol without long guns. This is Big Army and they need to be rolling with the same rules they did in other parts of the world. 2 Vech minimum. The command needs to step up and not set the soldiers up for failure.

Does anyone remember the soldiers that got rolled up in Kosovo back in the 1990s? They get messed up and werr very lucky to get released.

Obviously a possibility, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate that they were non/state actors. What makes you so sure?

I agree with the problem being with the Army’s handling as a whole, and part of the reason I say the Soldiers probably did the best thing they could have.
04-23-19, 11:54
Esq.

Quote:

Originally Posted by docsherm

I will break this down very simply.

Those soldiers are lucky as F@#K. Based on the reports and the description they were at best Mexican Army working for a Cartel. They could have rented up with tires around them and set on fire. Bad things happen to the CBP all of the time. Dealing with a foreign gov is easy..... they usually play by the rules and don't do crazy crap.

On the other hand when you are dealing with non-state actors everything goes out the window. That is what is going on there.

For anyone that HAS actually worked these areas the variables and actions must be relooked at as the rules of the game are completely different. Never take anything for granted. Don't think that the State Department will get you out because you may simply end up with a bullet in the back of your head in the middle of nowhere before it ever comes to that.

The real issue here is sending out a 2 man patrol without long guns. This is Big Army and they need to be rolling with the same rules they did in other parts of the world. 2 Vech minimum. The command needs to step up and not set the soldiers up for failure.

Does anyone remember the soldiers that got rolled up in Kosovo back in the 1990s? They get messed up and werr very lucky to get released.

Yea, I don't really understand why anyone would "deploy" to the border essentially unarmed. I hunt near the border quite often and I never step out of the cabin without a rifle and a sidearm.....Snakes, feral hogs, illegals, Cartel, run of the mill shitbags.....
04-23-19, 11:56
docsherm

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Originally Posted by Wake27

Obviously a possibility, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate that they were non/state actors. What makes you so sure?

I agree with the problem being with the Army’s handling as a whole, and part of the reason I say the Soldiers probably did the best thing they could have.

The reports I read said that the Mexicans were in an unmarked civilian pickup truck.......... they have all types of vehicles and they have markings. I would say that is very suspect
04-23-19, 11:59
Doc Safari

It's hard to think about this incident without recalling a very famous movie moment:

https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ
04-23-19, 12:05
Esq.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

It's hard to think about this incident without recalling a very famous movie moment:

https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ

Poor Mexico. So far from God and so close to the United States.....and always a basket case.....
04-23-19, 12:06
Doc Safari

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Originally Posted by Esq.

Poor Mexico. So far from God and so close to the United States.....and always a basket case.....

If the American continent has an anus, Mexico is it.
04-23-19, 12:07
Esq.

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Originally Posted by Doc Safari

If the American continent has an anus, Mexico is it.

I don't vacation there.
04-23-19, 12:16
Averageman

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Originally Posted by docsherm

Those soldiers are lucky as F@#K. Based on the reports and the description they were at best Mexican Army working for a Cartel. They could have rented up with tires around them and set on fire. Bad things happen to the CBP all of the time. Dealing with a foreign gov is easy..... they usually play by the rules and don't do crazy crap.
The real issue here is sending out a 2 man patrol without long guns. This is Big Army and they need to be rolling with the same rules they did in other parts of the world. 2 Vech minimum. The command needs to step up and not set the soldiers up for failure.

Does anyone remember the soldiers that got rolled up in Kosovo back in the 1990s? They get messed up and werr very lucky to get released.

The highlighted above quote is real and needs to be the new SOP.
I believe they should be running on the old school Cold War German Border rules.
2 vehicles at least three Soldiers per vehicle. I've run with two Soldiers, but it isn't smart to do so. We had back-up 5K's away, usually Tanks or APC's standing by.
Soldiers need a nice mix of carbines or sub guns and pistols. The Patrol leader has ammo and can order the others to lock and load their ammo. Smoke and redundant commo assets.
How do you cross the border with today's technology? It's just not going to happen, if you come in contact with a unmarked Mexican vehicle don't get out of your vehicle, reverse and keep your distance as you load your weapons, immediately call it in.

Big Army narrowly avoided a tragedy.
04-23-19, 14:15
Honu

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Also it seems the Mexican military was there doing pretty much the same thing the US military is there to do.

working for the cartels ? cause that is what most of the military does down there

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Originally Posted by Turnkey11

The entire Texas border has a river, there is no excuse for Mexican soldiers to cross it, ever.

YUP no excuse

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Originally Posted by Co-gnARR

Mexican government’s show of force, double dog dare style. Those soldier knew they were in El Norteño and are testing US response.

agree for sure about the testing seeing what they can get away with mocking later in world stage they wont do squat they do not even have proper weapons so much for THE WAR on drugs not bringing guns

no mans zone needs to be made and if you go in you might hear the buzz of a mini gun so yeah this !

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Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

What Steyr and Wake said. But it wouldn't hurt to have some A-10s loitering and Apaches on standby to deal with issues like this. Maybe some AC-130s making occasional appearances just to send a message.

And build the f'ing wall.
04-23-19, 15:04
lowprone

As usual Big Army has it's head up it's a**, and somebody will get killed before we fix this mess.

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