I’ve seen lots of posts talking of the advantages or ELW over the gov profile for general use. However, none seem to focus on suppressed use. Anyone have any experience with running these suppressed and their findings?
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I’ve seen lots of posts talking of the advantages or ELW over the gov profile for general use. However, none seem to focus on suppressed use. Anyone have any experience with running these suppressed and their findings?
We like a medium tapered profile for suppressor use, as it handles the weight and heat better.
I would do the BCM enhanced fluted medium weight upper. It’s not BFH, but seems like a really cool barrel.
Your rate of fire will guide your profile. Pappabear runs cans on some very light barrels. If you're not mag dumping and stuff, a thin barrel can be ok.
I would second the BCM medium profile barrel. Although I do not own one, I do have a BCM SOCOM barrel which is a real shooter and I assume the BCM medium profile would perform equally well.
I called and asked BCM about this and was told they don't recommend running a can with the ELW barrels, but then shortly after that saw a video with MrGunsngear doing just that, so, go figure. For the record, I also called Colt and asked about running a can on the LE6960 CCU and after consulting with some engineers I was told it should be fine, so who knows? I'd have to guess markm's post is probably the most accurate.
Yeh BCM told me the same thing but like you said MR Guns and Gear and Garand Thumb seem to use them too. This is what BCM told me “ When running suppressed, we would recommend the standard government profile barrel. Light weight barrels will run fine with a suppressor, but we usually do not recommend running a light weight barrel suppressed as some folks are bothered by the POA/POI shifts they see when using or removing the suppressor.
The amount of POA/POI shift is dependent on the weight of the suppressor you install. We do not have any recorded data, but it is significant enough to be noteworthy.“
Well I am running a dead air sandman k with a BCM 11.5 ELW-F. Shift was about 1.5 inch low at 100 yards(furthest I've had so far) upon initial zero. Should have taken pics and accurate measurements, alas I did not. I have had zero Malfunctions in the 500 rounds this can has been on there. This puts that particular gun at about 2k rounds. Not much compared to others but it's been problem free and I love shooting suppressed. Should have done this years ago.
So I understand the POI shift concern, but I plan on keeping this thing suppressed exclusively. I have also taken it off and put it back on and did notice a zero shift from the on/off/on.
So, in short, I have found this lightweight barrel to be perfectly serviceable with a can attached. If there are major issues, I will report back at that time.
How does the the heat affect the poi shift once that barrel gets hot? I’ve read that 2-3 mags relatively fast that barrel will be glowing red.
I'm not one to "mag dump" but I ran 90 rounds through it confirm zero/just to see if groups would open. It was only 0-50 yards and there was not a noticeable shift. I was running a couple drills. I guesstimate that I had 3 mags through in 10 minutes, probably less. It was nowhere near glowing red. I'll try to get a heat gun next time I do it.
Hope to get this set up to a class next year as it is now my primary duty rifle. Regardless its gonna be put through its paces and so far I absolutely love the lightweight package with a mini can.
Not a 14.5 inch, but I use a 11.5" ELW-F BCM barreled upper with a Saker-K almost exclusively.
Works great and even doing rapid drills / shooting, never had an issue.
Yeh maybe BCM will make a BFH medium tapered profile soon. Seems like it’d be the best of both worlds.
Thicker near the muzzle helps with bending moment around the muzzle.
But, overall performance is about balance.
Here is our 14.5" OPTIMUM MPC.
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So with all the info on the table. If you could have one which would it be? Difference between the ELW and GOV is about 4oz. Is it really that noticeable for its downfalls?
11.5 carbine for me.
I went with BRT. I'm pretty happy with it. It's very accurate, and the tapered profile makes it seem lighter that what it is. A buddy has the BCM ELW, and neither him nor I find it as accurate as BRT barrels. I've only worked with two BCM barrels, but I've worked with four BRT and they tend to shoot very accurate. So do Sionics.
From my understanding the accuracy issues with the ELW vary greatly from barre to barrel. Some don’t see much of a shift while others do. With every barrel being its own monster.
Yea, I'll try to do some testing over the winter. If I can get 2moa with 62 gr fusion, I'll be satisfied.
I'll do some silenced/unsilenced testing as well, but wont be until mid December at the earliest - most likely mid- January