Well then it's a good thing that they all have fixed rear and FSB front iron sights! :cool:
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Once they stop making a model your screwed. Their warranty ends with the project. They could have offered a replacement with an existing product but they don’t. Or even a credit towards a new product. The positive is that they typically only break internally after years of use, usually electronic in nature. A company like Leuopold will make it right even years after production, same with Vortex. But this can change if they’re bought out by a conglomerate.
That is a weak point on the Crossfire. I tossed my heavy carbine around and slammed it quite a bit, including multiple team member drills where our carbines collided including a number of drops and dumps and the dial is intact. However, no drops on concrete, and did not run it over with a vehicle.. I use BUIS and FSB on my carbines: have four setup the same just slightly different barrel lengths. My last shoot involved point shooting with the red dot turned off. I had a two inch group at 20ft. with the BUIS down. Most guys were shooting six inches, some more. One in particular who spends a huge amount of money on his kit was point shooting well over six inches which is a fail. I tend to shoot at the instructor level with sights. So in the event you do destruct your Crossfire, you can point shoot or “tube” the threat and get the job done very fast. Inside of thirty feet I’m point shooting center mass in a real or training scenario.
I don’t know who would run over an Aimpoint or slam it into concrete being an $700-800 unit but I would guess it will also be subject to failure, hopefully it is in fact significantly more robust being six or seven times the money.
Mystery you still refuse to get it and I doubt you ever will. I know what capitalism is and I gave examples. At one time, the Japanese and Korean cars WERE crap, but they improved and then surpassed the US auto makers, AND for a cheaper price. You actually think that they are better because some factories are in the US? Come on dude, you can't be that out of touch with reality can you? We actually studied the Japanese factories on how to improve our production process. Get real.
You wrote, and I quote "The reality is you simply can't get the same quality for less."..the Colt example proves your statement was just plain bs and you know it.
As far as evolving and your wheel example, also bs. Just because it is still the same shape doesn't mean it hasn't evolved. Try throwing on a set of bias plys on your car, better yet, how about a set of wagon wheels. See how that works for you. Those are tweaks and evolving a design, not gimmicks. Some ideas work great, some don't, but that is part of the evolutionary process.
There are also many videos of some pretty brutal torture tests of those knock offs and they do pretty well. Sure, there are still cheap junk out there, but not all are.
So you are saying the cell phone hasn't evolved...just gimmicks... lmao. Try comparing a camera shot from 2007, when the T1 was invented, to a modern one now. Absolute garbage. Even one 5 years ago would make it look silly. Try browsing the internet with that phone. Try downloading and watching a video with it....yea...good luck buddy.
The truth is I don't buy my cell phones, I get them updated every 2 years for free with my job. It's pretty nice, but the example is there is a lot more tech and cost that go into a cell phone than a red dot. Absolutely no question in that. They could easily design a cell phone that meets the same rugged standards as a T2 by removing the "gimmicky" cameras, the "gimmicky" high def screen, throw in a cheap circuit board and just have an led readout. Guess how much that cell phone would cost? Peanuts.
Sure, I would take an Aimpoint for free, but that isn't what is being discussed now is it? You would take a Ferrari/Porsche/"fill in with your dream car" for free over what you bought too, so your point is invalid. I would even pay more for an Aimpoint than a knockoff....just not what it costs now.
My company is a major reseller for Axis cameras. They also are made in Sweden. Awesome cameras. Great quality, great durability, support and reputation. If I could afford it as a business, that is what I would buy and that is what I spec into my designs. Guess what though, a lot of businesses by the cheaper ones. Some are absolute garbage, some give Axis a run for its money which is why they have restructured pricing and introduced new lineups. They are still number one though and rightfully so. I have to be honest though, the only reason I have them on my house, and it is their cheaper lineup, is because I get them at cost. If not, even as an SME in my profession, I would get an alternative, because the quality difference, if any, is negligible for the difference in cost.
I get it dude, you like Aimpoint and no one else. Like I sad b4, you do you, that's great, I back you 100% in doing so too, but don't justify your viewpoint with spin and bs statements. It's like going to an Occupy Democrat page.
Talk about reading comprehension...the auto maker example was given to point out that even though the Japanese and Korean automakers were cheap crap at one time, they eventually equaled then surpassed the US competition, and still do for the most part. At the time when they were already better quality wise they were also cheaper. So the theory of not getting a quality product by paying less is an absolute garbage statement. You keep side stepping it...for good reason I guess.
You ignore the cheap brands like Delton, PSA, etc whicch are also the same basic product as a Colt, just not as good quality wise. Sure they are also way cheaper and a lot less reliable, but that is the point I am trying to make. There are quality choices out there that are fine quality wise but you don't have to pay primo prices if you don't want to. Yes a KAC is overall a better rifle in many ways than a Colt, not many would argue against that. The point is that many feel the Colt is good enough for what they need and don't want to pay the extra money for a KAC, Larue, DD, Noveske. etc. Some do. I personally would love a KAC and would have bought one had it been in stock, but it wasn't and the deal on a DDM4V5 that I got was too good to pass up at the time. I did convince a friend to buy one and he did. From thhat standpoint I think the juice is worth the squeeze. By the time you change things out like (trigger, stock, add buis, etc) the KAC is well worth it and to get another brand to shoot as smooth takes more time and money.
In your response to the torture tests, I get your skepticism, but with that attitude, nothing new would ever be used. It's a catch 22 situation.
The cell phones and cameras are absolutely a necessity to stay relevant in the market. To say it is a gimmick is absolute denial. People don't want to have to carry an SLR with them to get great family pics on a vacation. It is now unnecessary to do so thanks to your claimed "gimmick". Lens quality does make a difference, that is also part of the cost that goes into the camera along with the megapixel sensor and processing. Like I mentioned, the phone manufacturers could easily make a cell phone that beats a T2 spec in toughness, take out the processing power, put in an led read out screen on it with a dial for brightness and with the battery tech now days, would run forever. They could do it and it wouldn't cost as much as a T2 either, it wouldn't even be close...on top of the fact that almost no one would buy it. This is my point that you keep missing. The Aimpoint is a good product, it just isn't worth what they are charging anymore and the die hard fan boys like you keep it that way.
Another side step...I never pigeon holed you into a Ferrari did I? I gave you choices...you chose to side step to avoid the reality of my truth.
On the cameras, I design commercial systems, not residential. Some companies depend on these designs for security, protecting their workplace, their employees, their products and research, etc. This can also make or break a company, yet they choose the cheaper option because it is "good enough" for what they are trying to accomplish.
For some reason your reading comprehension is not getting that I never, and I don't think anyone in this thread ever posted that the knock offs are just as good as an Aimpoint. They are not, but they will get there, just like the cheap Japanese and Korean cars did.
What I keep saying and let me lay it out simply so there is no misconceptions anymore:
1) Knock offs are not as good as an Aimpoint
2) Aimpoints are overpriced relative to the tech and materials going into it and the age of design
3) Some of the better knock offs are for the most part close enough to the same quality and durability of an Aimpoint for a lot less money
Mystery, I will bow out of this because it has grown tiresome. You fail to understand what I write over and over...not sure why really.
You write I bought the DD because I wanted to save money over the KAC. That is not even close to what I wrote dude. How did you come up with that in that head of yours? The dream car example is another one, I left your choices wide open, yet you keep pigeon holing the choices to avoid the truth that you would take something more expensive than what you have for free. Anyone would. Your original point was garbage and you know it. Yet even when faced with that obvious truth you would rather fight tooth and nail on something that everyone else knows is a false statement, then admit you were wrong on it.
With that being said, I have come to the conclusion that this discussion is a waste of time when basic comprehension or manning up is lacking.
Rock on with your Aimpoints.
The real question is...when they come down in price to be more competitive because of competition...and they will...will you man up then or make another invalid excuse on why it happened?