'sophisticated' Anarchists, neo-Nazis Groups operational at recent protests

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06-15-20, 20:14
Business_Casual

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The Nazis came about out of a desire to fight socialism.

This is categorically false.

Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialists.
06-15-20, 20:15
Voodoochild

MountainRaven if you're going to call this site out and proclaim there are neo-nazis here then you better have damn good proof of that. I can tell you straight up the ownership, Mods, and Staff here don't tolerate that crap nor would we allow neo-nazis to operate here.
06-15-20, 20:16
Mjolnir

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Originally Posted by MountainRaven

Neo-Nazis have been using the internet to organize since there has been an internet.

Neo-Nazis don't go around screaming at people any more because they learned that it didn't work - it was a good way to get infiltrated by the FBI and other government organizations, who would then systematically take them apart.

So they evolved. They learned from the leftist organizations of the 1960s and 1970s - and from the Nazis after the Beer Hall Putsch. They put on suits and started wearing a smiling face to lull the unwary. This forum has plenty of Neo-Nazis on it, who are likely among the first to deny their existence and their threat. Some of them don't even deny being Neo-Nazis.

Do you believe that the Peoples Republic of China is a republic of the people of China? It's in the name, afterall. Do you believe the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic, a republic, and of the people? The German Democratic Republic was certainly German, so it must have been democratic and a republic, right? Maybe you think the Japanese conservative party, the Liberal Democratic Party*, is actually liberal, too? It's right in the name.

The Nazis came about out of a desire to fight socialism. They used the name as a screen to distract their enemies on the left and confound their enemies in the center and on the right.

*There's a joke in Japan that the Liberal Democratic Party is neither liberal nor democratic.

Nazi Germany was absolutely Socialist. It was National Socialism versus International Socialism by Dictatorship or Communism.

I believe Germany has been the only nation to actively, militarily take the fight to Communism.

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06-15-20, 21:32
TomMcC

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Originally Posted by MountainRaven

Neo-Nazis have been using the internet to organize since there has been an internet.

Neo-Nazis don't go around screaming at people any more because they learned that it didn't work - it was a good way to get infiltrated by the FBI and other government organizations, who would then systematically take them apart.

So they evolved. They learned from the leftist organizations of the 1960s and 1970s - and from the Nazis after the Beer Hall Putsch. They put on suits and started wearing a smiling face to lull the unwary. This forum has plenty of Neo-Nazis on it, who are likely among the first to deny their existence and their threat. Some of them don't even deny being Neo-Nazis.

Do you believe that the Peoples Republic of China is a republic of the people of China? It's in the name, afterall. Do you believe the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic, a republic, and of the people? The German Democratic Republic was certainly German, so it must have been democratic and a republic, right? Maybe you think the Japanese conservative party, the Liberal Democratic Party*, is actually liberal, too? It's right in the name.

The Nazis came about out of a desire to fight socialism. They used the name as a screen to distract their enemies on the left and confound their enemies in the center and on the right.

*There's a joke in Japan that the Liberal Democratic Party is neither liberal nor democratic.

Neo-Nazis on this board....whowee. A definite jumping the shark moment. Who they be?
06-15-20, 21:57
Tx_Aggie

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Originally Posted by Voodoochild

MountainRaven if you're going to call this site out and proclaim there are neo-nazis here then you better have damn good proof of that. I can tell you straight up the ownership, Mods, and Staff here don't tolerate that crap nor would we allow neo-nazis to operate here.

There have been members who posted quite a bit of White Nationionalist material. 7NG/RetroRevolver77 is the first that comes to mind, mostly in the old Civil War thread (including blatantly Neo Nazi slogans like the 14 words, links to some of Spencer's white identity movement material, etc.) though I think he deleted a lot of it after he changed his screen name. Benito is another past member who seemed to have a pretty hard line White Nationalist slant to some of his posts.

Both are now banned, FWIW. I never got the impression the site ownership or mods approved of or encouraged their presence, but they were tolerated in GD to some extent.
06-15-20, 22:26
MountainRaven

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Originally Posted by Voodoochild

MountainRaven if you're going to call this site out and proclaim there are neo-nazis here then you better have damn good proof of that. I can tell you straight up the ownership, Mods, and Staff here don't tolerate that crap nor would we allow neo-nazis to operate here.

We think there are people from Antifa on here (who don't have our best interests at heart).

We think there are people from Russia on here (who don't have our best interests at heart).

We think there are people from China on here (who don't have our best interests at heart).

Why do you think we don't have people who are Neo-Nazis on here?

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Originally Posted by Mjolnir

Nazi Germany was absolutely Socialist. It was National Socialism versus International Socialism by Dictatorship or Communism.

I believe Germany has been the only nation to actively, militarily take the fight to Communism.

Nazi Germany's Socialism was Socialism backed by (proto-)international corporations, including Coca-Cola and the Ford Motor Company: The most capitalist socialism ever.

As for taking the fight to communism...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-99-02013.JPEG

Have some American troops in Vladivostok, there to fight the communists... while Germany was helping the communists, after literally giving Lenin a train to travel to St. Petersburg.

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Originally Posted by Tx_Aggie

There have been members who posted quite a bit of White Nationionalist material. 7NG/RetroRevolver77 is the first that comes to mind, mostly in the old Civil War thread (including blatantly Neo Nazi slogans like the 14 words, links to some of Spencer's white identity movement material, etc.) though I think he deleted a lot of it after he changed his screen name. Benito is another past member who seemed to have a pretty hard line White Nationalist slant to some of his posts.

Both are now banned, FWIW. I never got the impression the site ownership or mods approved of or encouraged their presence, but they were tolerated in GD to some extent.

This. I doubt they were alone.
06-15-20, 23:16
TomMcC

There's maybe 30 people that post on GD regularly, that number may be high, and there are 4 categories of possibly nefarious posters. I understand why some sketchy Americans might post here...interest in guns, but the others I don't get. Doesn't seem like those others would bother.

Maybe I'm considered sketchy...the sketchy theonomist.
06-15-20, 23:39
ryanm

I’ve been legitimately concerned twice in the past two months regarding my perception of some of the rhetoric. I called both members out on that and they both explained their positions more clearly. I might not agree but I was less concerned afterwards,
06-15-20, 23:45
HardToHandle

I am going to avoid the limited value debate on Neo-Nazis on this Board.
However, there are prior service d-bags rolling in plate carriers, M4geries and a six back of Molotov cocktails around Vegas.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/j...t-protests-las

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/fbi-...-says-1.632967

Make your own decisions about your politics, but these @sshats were going to rallies to intimidate unarmed marchers. They got taken down by SWAT as they were reportedly getting ready to attack a peaceful march. Think about you would handle this situation if you get wind of folks planning something similar.
06-16-20, 00:51
SteyrAUG

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Originally Posted by sgtrock82

The neo nazi, kkk boogeyman thing is definitely getting old.

Remember in the late 80s and 90s when there were legit, if not somewhat overblown groups of neo nazis and there were several news specials documenting them and their little rallies, camps festivals such... how come in the age of the internet facebook, twittergram etc that journalists(also possibly extinct) cant find any legit nazis to tell us all about.There was always one dumb and proud enough to talk... but where are they now. Dont tell me their smart and hiding, im not buying that, being loud proud and antagonistic was their stock in trade.

I think only time wears away at these organizations, their message isnt persuasive. Id say in a generation or so they willl be all but extinct. I sometimes think they only continue to exist in any form as an extension of white prison gangs.

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Yep, when they burnt down the Matthews crew (The Order) in their cabin, fined Metzger (WAR) into oblivion with a 12 million dollar lawsuit and the remnants of the National Alliance got hit with charges of child pornography that was pretty much the end of all the organized white power movements.

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