Premier Optics

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Originally Posted by trinydex

from another forum



http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...light=premiere

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I think Randall maybe telling some tales.... there were some isolated reports of issues of 3-12x50s with MTC knobs that issues but I am not aware of any with DT knobs. Regardless, when one stacks up all of the S&Bs that Premiere converted 3-12s, 4-16s, 5-25s - I think there were very few problems. Alot of folks on the Hide own them and it has been extremely rare to read about one that went TU. NF also has a pretty good rep for being problem free and generally a good optic.

The thing that I have come to learn is before one should accept someone's claim of "this is really good" you personally need to field it in all kinds of light and conditions. Most folks really don't have much to gauge it against or just want to say it is good b/c they own it.


Good luck

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Originally Posted by SHIVAN

Unless Randall would like to come here and provide some sources, it would appear that he's revising history. If Leupold was so unhappy with Premier, why did they retain them until just after the father died?

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Leupold was happy with them UNTIL the old man died.
Once the old man died, that's when the QC problems started.
It seems that only the old man was really able to make it all work like it should.

get with bwyoda, he had a chance to get hands on with one at a course he went to. Ask him what he thought and what his instructors had to say about it.

I've compared this scope to S&B and NF, and its glass is the clearest I've ever found. The biggest difference can be seen around dusk -- with the Premier you could still see targets that were no longer visible with the NF in the shadows. I cannot emphasize how nice the glass is -- it is sourced from one of the top glass makers in Germany.

And S&B had a contract with the USMC to have their stuff assembled by Premier in order to avoid the importation tax -- send components to the US, have a US manufacturer put them together, and presto -- no 15-20% import tax on the entire scope. Then there was a shuffling around at the top levels of S&B and they decided to take all production internally -- I assume it wasn't helpful that Premier was working on producing a competitive scope.

Premier has some of the best former engineers from S&B working for them. In addition the scope was built directly using constant feedback from the military. It is bombproof, which contributes to the price. I talked to a former R&D guy from SOCOM and he said that for him, glass quality is not as important as ergonomics: can the scope take hitting a tree while you are running through a forest, can you submerge it in ice water to 100 feet, can you leave it in the rain for 5 days, etc, etc. The Heritage scope handles all that like champ. If that is not of concern to you, go cheaper; it's like a car -- you don't need the Aimpoint with NV settings if you don't use nightvision, and you don't need a Ferrari if you drive only to commute in Los Angeles traffic.... FYI -- I own two NFs and have a Premier on order. I'm not getting rid of the NFs -- they serve their purpose, and do it well.

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Originally Posted by SHIVAN

Unless Randall would like to come here and provide some sources, it would appear that he's revising history. If Leupold was so unhappy with Premier, why did they retain them until just after the father died??

Can anyone provide a source for the Schmidt & Bender reference? It was my understanding that S&B had a limited contract with them, and that the contract was fulfilled.

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Premier put the reticle in the M8541 Scout Sniper Day Scope, AKA the S&B Police Marksman LPII 3-12x50. They had a falling out, the details of which I am Jack's complete lack of caring beyond the fact that it was a pisser for us, because the scope was very well received and we needed to be able to replace them as attrition occurred. The squabble affected the warfighter, so my own anger is generally toward the situation, and not a vendor, since I don't know enough to know who to turn a gimlet eye to.

Anyhow, Premier stepped up and started making the things, though I know that some Japanese company is subcontracted for the glass. Not sure about the bodies.

What I do know is that we've started to get them, if only for testing, and I can tell you that having no need for tools to float the turrets is a godsend, and that you can practically pound in tent stakes with these things. Everything so far indicates that they are Costa-beard-tough and very able to hold zero after abuse.

It's a bit tough to turn the turrets to make adjustments, but that's likely a self-solving problem. Time will tell. Still waiting to see how they handle water infiltration, too, but I'm pretty confident that they are a couple of steps above the 1st and 2nd Gen SSDSs, which had gripes associated with them from Marines in the Fleet regarding how you had to be very careful dragging them through puddles. Unsat.

I shot the Premier at 15x with the mildot reticle next to a loopy 20x and my own NX with the MLR reticle. I prefer the NX MLR for a reticle but the quality of the Premier was more than noteworthy. I only put a few rounds down range with it and spent only about 10 min behind it. Fantastic overall impression and they will be getting my money from now on.

My rifle is in the background. A friend had just received a new rifle from Tactical Operations and we were testing some different glass on it.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...c/Dsc_0024.jpg