Or any radar. A crazy ex-girlfriend could gin up a story. The Orkin man might see something and call the police. Who knows. Wait for your damn stamp.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I am not worried about a crazy ex-girlfriend as I am married. I also don't leave weapons laying around for the Orkin man or anyone else to see. I am also not going to pass on a good deal or picking up a short barrel for a project because of some irrational fear of the gun police.
Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Some opinions are grounded in reality and some are more in the realm of "this is what I like to think, so it's my opinion."
How about if someone breaks in and steals your title I lower and your short upper? Do you think it's going to be fun explaining to LE exactly what got stolen and what the thief may have done with it? Or explaining why they recovered what they are going to view as your unregistered SBR?
The crazy ex and the Orkin man are just two of endless scenarios.
The point is that if you don't have at least one registered SBR already (or a pistol lower), you are taking a pointless and avoidable risk by keeping a short barreled upper under the same roof before your transfer is approved. Most of the time you will not have any issues. If you do have an issue, though, it will really suck.
not sure what you're saying- i can install these three barrels on unregistered lowers and create unregistered SBRs- but i haven't, and im not going to, and there's nothing illegal about my possessing them until i can get some vortexs in and pin them. nor is there anything illegal about another gunsmith receiving a 14.5 barrel to have a vortex pinned to it, nor is there anything illegal about non-FFL dealers receiving 14.5, 12", 11", 7" barrels to sell to people who may or may not have registered SBR lowers.
and i'm asking you to explain how this is possible, given your other statements.
ATF has consistently taken the position that an SBR includes any combination of parts from which a SBR can be readily assembled. If you have, along with those barrels, upper receivers, bolt/carrier groups, etc. such that you could assemble an SBR, the yes you could be in possession of an unregistered SBR. Unless you also have AR pistol lowers laying around, the Thompson/Center case doesn't seem to help you.
ATF has also said:
"The definition of a firearm in section 5845 of the NFA includes a
rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
An individual possessing more than one short (less than 16 inches)
barreled upper receiver for a registered AR15 machinegun along with
one or more semiautomatic AR15 rifles would have under their
possession of control an unregistered short barreled rifle, a
violation of the NFA."
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/...f_letter90.txt
check out this web site for US vs. thompson Center Arms
http://supreme.justia.com/us/504/505/case.html
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It's threads like this that make me drink! :p
And before anyone gets offended and starts flaming, questions like this will have a different answer from everyone that gives a response. As was stated before several times you just have to do what you are comfortable with.
I personally would not get my shorts wadded up over it. But to each his own. :cool: