Which one would you choose?And why?:confused:
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Which one would you choose?And why?:confused:
WTF? neither.. have you looked around here at all?
If those were your only 2 options my first response was going to be go with which ever one you can get the best deal on because they both are great rifles from what I have heard. However, I am one who does not like to have what everyone else has. Bushy's are a big seller to the general population and I like to have something a little less known so I woud go with the DS, but that is just MO so go with what your gut says because both are fine rifles.
I've owned a DoubleStar before - very nice entry-level AR rifle. TRUE 5.56 chamber, which you don't ALWAYS get on a Bushmaster (ask Iraqgunz about THAT...). If the opportunity presented itself again, I wouldn't mind having one of their CAR's as my plinker/KISS rifle.
I once owned a Bushmaster 20" service rifle that I tricked out for DCM Match. It was a nice enough rifle and was probably capable of much greater accuracy than the loose nut behind the trigger.
That said, I am a little bit pissed off with Bushmaster over the whole Magpul/Masada deal right now and am boycotting all of their products. They deserved to be punished for stringing us all along over this whole deal. In retrospect, I think Magpul should have sold the design to Ruger; It'd be in our hands by now.
I will avoid beating a dead horse. As I have stated before if you buy an AR or other similar weapon it should be for SHTF TEOTWAWKI first and everything else second. So having said that why would you buy two second or third rate weapons which have a record of not being being up to snuff? If you can't afford a Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense or Noveske now, wait another 2-3 months and then get one unless if is urgent.
First and foremost the weapon has to be reliable and put together right. Any one of the AR's mentioned are capable and accurate enough to do the job.
However, I sense that you will opt for something else and then you will learn the hard way as have others here before you.
I own both and while they are both decent guns, the DoubleStar is my favorite.
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If you haven't allready look into CMMG and their ARs, they are really well made (from my experience) and quite affordable, even by today's standards.
IMHO, why spend $1100-$1200 on a Bushmaster when you can buy a Colt or other top manufacturer for just a couple hundred bucks more?
That is what I came around to thinking; in my case it took WAY too long to get here, and when I finally did, the financial situation made it imperative that I set my sights a bit lower than I wanted.
(So to speak.)
In practical terms, my own last trade boiled down to exchanging a tight upper/lower fit for a tested BCG and M4 ramps, and a 1:8 HBAR barrel for a chrome lined 1:9 M4 contour. Essentially, I ended up with something a bit shorter and lot lighter, assuming that I sacrificed some inherent accuracy for reliability and handiness.
*cringing* Eeek gads! Are you daft? Seriously, get a Colt, Noveske, LMT in that order!
Neither if I had a choice of something else, but if they were my only two choices. The double star simply because they aren't afraid to use a fallopian tube roll mark.:D
Chart shmart, get whichever is available, if they both are buy a Bushmaster! :D
Ummm... Fail?
If a Bushy costs $1200 and a Colt costs $1400, the Bushy is a dumb choice. Throw into the mix slapping an LMT lower to an LMT upper (plus BCG, CH, and handguards) for under or at $1000 and the Bushy is an even more stupid choice.
Bushy charges for quality they don't have - so just buy quality and forget the Bushy.
Whew... That makes me feel better. LOL
Veteran.
Been there, done that. Happy with my particular Bushmaster. The DPMS I owned, not happy.
Previous to these, I had a Colt. Happy. I had a late 80's Olympic Arms. I LOVED it!
Hit and miss..? Yep. Some Colt's are fail. Most not. And vice versa for some others. Don't sit there and curse my BM because you read a bad review somewhere. And I won't curse your ******** AR either.
Fire away.....
Dog
I have zero experience with Doublestar, but my particular Bushmaster has been 100% reliable for about 1200 rounds of all kinds of ammo. YMMV. It may fail on the next bullet I fire, I just don't know.
If it's a range gun, I'd say go with either one and have a knowledgeable armor give it the once-over. If it's for home-defense (or other "serious" use); you'd probably be better off saving for a few more paychecks and getting one from a known-good manufacturer. That's the whole point of The Chart; it makes it easy to see which manufacturers are known to meet the established baseline laid out by the TDP. You already know this if you've spent more than 5 minutes on this site.
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Being that I'm new to this forum, I'll bite.
I've seen some really nice rifles on here. Some of which cost more than a small 3rd world country. I bought a Bushmaster about 12-13 years ago, because that was all that was available at the time. Many people told me then, "Buy a Colt or go home" and much to my frustration, I looked and looked. After a few months of looking for a Colt, I bought a 20" Bushmaster. I've shot the proverbial hell out of it over the years. It's since been upgraded piece-meal with different components. The sad part is, I don't recall any single upgrade that I made that magically made me a better shooter. I've shot some other rifle brands, DPMS, DS, LMT, even a Colt. None of them magically made me shoot better. In fact, the DPMS and the DS did teach me a few things, like how to clear a malfunction, compared to my so called piece of junk Bushy. I'm no big fan of any brand name in particular, I just want it to work.
I'd like to have something like a Novesky or a Colt, but finding one right now is like a needle in a haystack, a really expensive needle in a really big haystack. Maybe when (if) stuff calms down a bit, I'll get me one, but for now, I'll shoot the one I have to ensure that it'll go "bang" every time I need it to. If it doesn't, I'll get it looked at to make sure it does go "bang".
For the most part, I'd say it's more important to first have a rifle than to drool over one you want, and it's more important to train with that rifle than it is to drop brand names.
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Needle in a Haystack?
$1600?
Sorry, you'll have to forgive me, I recall the old days of $800-1000 Colts, and that was expensive. I think I paid something like $600 for my Bushy back then.
Like I said, when (hopefully) things calm down, availability will be better, and hopefully, just hopefully pricing might get better. Right now, having a rifle that works, I can't justify spending that much. Who knows though, once my trucks paid off in a few months, that extra cash will burn a hole in my pocket. I also noted that I'd love to have one, but like with all financial decisions, it must be weighed against a great many things.
Anything can be had at a price.
Are they the only two choices available on earth or a battle field pick up or something? :p Save up for a few more months and get something to the left of the chart. Daniel Defense would be the better choice and the better value.;)
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I was considering todays prices.
I like Bushmaster, so dont get me wrong there, but since they seem to think their gun is worth 1200, Id actually buy a slightly more expensive COLT and Im not a COLT fan, just an economics decision.
It seems all the companies owned by Cerberus has inflated all their prices beyond whats reasonable IMO, even DPMS' are wanting like 900 for their 700 dollar guns
To clarify, I paid around $600 for my bushy, years ago, so the current prices really don't apply to what I was saying. What I was getting at, is that it's better to have a rifle than not.
(BTW, doing it all over again, I'd have bought a Colt had one been available back then). The needle/haystack analogy was simply to show that finding a decent deal, where they are actually available within the past few months has been a bit tricky. The prices have gone thru the roof, and I'm sure many of us here have experience a completely empty gun store or two a few months back. I've owned guns for decades, but to be honest, my very first "online purchase" of a gun was all of 4 months ago. I guess it was just one of those deals where I like to hold it in my hands before dropping a crapload of money. I am still not real comfortable, as I'm sure are others, with buying stuff unseen. It's good to see that chart about quality features and be able to find information about people who've ordered certain brands (honestly, up until about a year ago, I'd never heard of Noveske, by my own fault, living under rocks and stuff).
Good point. I guess I just still cringe at the price tag being I paid less than half of what some are going for now.
I guess I am having some internal struggle with all the negative views of Bushmaster. Again, let me stress, I am not a big fan of brand names soley based on their names, but I've really never had an issue with mine. If it works, I use it. If it had choked, I'd have sold it off and moved on.
Probably just me justifying to myself that I didn't make a bad purchase all those years ago. It's dumb on my part, forget I brought it up.
I'll tell you this though... I've learned more about the AR in a couple of weeks than I have in 13 or so years so, thanks for that to all.
Sometimes they work like they should. But, you must realize that you do not have an HP/ MPI tested barrel/ bolt, you probably had to stake your castle nut and bolt carrier screws and you don't have a true 5.56 chamber. The other thing is that you are dealing with a sample of one. I have 500 of them and I have had to correct or fix everyone. In addition they all had rifle extractor springs and inserts.
Right now the Bushies are going for around 1000.00 and AFAIK there is still a backlog. As a matter of fact I am fairly certain that someone could build a good carbine with quality parts for about 1100-1300.00 dollars.
Why can't people just answer the OP's question? He asked about DoubleStar and Bushmaster and everyone has to start in with their tired Colt, Noveske, LMT rhetoric.
Give it a rest and answer the OP's simple question!
I'd have to agree for that price you can get a Colt for just a bit more. Having found this site a little while ago I was put off at first but now I'm thankful for the wealth of information.
My first AR is a Bushmaster. It works well and only had a magazine issue which a dremel fixed. Magazine was the problem not the rifle. I got it for little over 800 in 06 or 05 NIB (A2M4 model).
I bought on of their gas piston uppers . . . utter fail . . . that became an AK through trade. Complete waste of my money.
I stay away from them now due to the gas piston fail I went through.
That said, for the money I would get a Colt or something. No Bushmaster is worth a grand or more in my book anyway. I know the panic messes everything up. Then again if you own nothing at the moment then wait and get something really good because that may be the only one you ever own.