Has anybody worked with Jard triggers before ? life span troubles?
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Has anybody worked with Jard triggers before ? life span troubles?
I have three for several years with no issues to report.
I've used several aftermarket triggers including Jard, CMC, Timney, Geissele, LMT and CMMG. My experience with Jard nonadjustable single stage triggers has been good - I've also tried their adjustable single and two stage triggers, but I'm not that taken with those.
While the Timney is a much better feeling single stage, what the Jard has going for it is long term reliability; and it is a huge improvement over the stock trigger. My Timneys (Gen II) have developed reset problems that can be remedied with a hex wrench; I do like them and continue to use them, but their crunch time reliability is suspect. Don't even consider a CMC.
Those comments are for single stage triggers. For a two stage get a Geissele SSA, if you can. If you can't the LMT two stage is a good second.
They are good triggers and are used by several SF groups. We stock them and use them as well.
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I just picked up a 4# single stage non-adjustable the other day. I can't really complain about the price & it seems to be of decent quality. There is a slight amount of initial creep but reset is quite crisp. As for longevity, dunno...it appears to be hardened as advertised & feels solid. I'd say the weakest link is the trigger spring as it is a coil type that sits between the lower & the trigger (on the flip side that is what makes it a little easier to change pull weight by shimming or using a heavier spring).
all in all...for the price you can't go wrong IMHO. If you're looking for a single stage non-adjustable that is.
well my new ar will have one in there now ! i am getting the 4 pound one !
To add an additional comment, the non adjustable is mushy like the take up in the Glock. That is why I have it. Since I have to carry a Glock I wanted a similar trigger feel. It break clean and does have a crisp reset like stated above. My outfit no longer allows aftermarket triggers so I went to a trigger group from a 6724 for my Colt. Since it is factory, it is the best I am going to get for work.
Have installed 4 of the non-adjustables, and have run one in my personal gun for almost two years now with no issues. One of the others had a substandard letoff but Brownell's made it good and replaced it with an ok one with no questions asked.
Only wish a decent drop-in type unit had been available when I was using a Colt CAR in the mid-80s. What a difference...
I had the single stage non-adjustable in to try out.
I had to take mine out. I don't know why it failed yet. It was kind of strange. It was installed exactly the way the manual stated, but it almost felt like the first shot was not going until I let up on the trigger. Follow up shots were fine. However, after takeup, it kind of felt like pushing against an immovable wall that would then "break", but it was really hard. It got harder until it stopped "breaking" at all. It would not fire. This was on the second day of a LAV class in Oregon. (The trigger had already been through a EAG/Pat Rogers 3 day class plus my before and after EAG practice shots of several hundred). Luckily I had a backup rifle with me that I used until lunch time when I "fixed" the rifle with the JARD (see below).
So, at lunch, I took it out and put the factory one back in, which works fine. I contacted JARD customer service and they told me to directly contact the main tech guy directly, which I have not done yet since I have been busy. I will follow up with them to figure out what the issue was though. Need to rule out other issues.
I know this is an old thread, so let me first apologize for resurrecting it.
I just bought a 1.5# Jard single stage non-adjustable trigger and installed it in a Yankee Hill lower. I'm fully aware of Yankee Hill's rep on this site, so let me again apologize for buying what I feel to be a decent brand for a "fun" rifle.
After installing the trigger, i realized that there is a major safety issue with it. On a "standard" "mil-spec" rifle, the safety selector will not move to the "safe" position if the rifle is not cocked. With the Jard trigger I have installed, the safety selector is free to move from "fire" to "safe" and vice-versa no matter what the current status of the rifle is. This is where the problem arises...
If the hammer is uncocked and the safety selector is moved to "safe" then it is not possible to fully cock the rifle. However, the charging handle can be pulled rearward about an inch. At this point, the hammer is pushed into the disconnnector, which will not move because of the safety selector. The rearward pull of the handle is stopped at this point. After releasing the charging handle, the bolt is returned to battery, however, the hammer is wedged in a "half-cocked" position.
At this point, most can probably see the issue. If the safety selector is then moved into the "fire" position, the hammer drops without the trigger being pulled. *BANG*
I'm not sure whether there is not enough material where the front of the trigger and the hammer meet, or if the hammer pin hole is slightly higher than it should be. Regardless, the hammer should push down on the front end of the trigger, raising the rear end, thereby blocking the safety selector from turning to "safe" if the hammer is uncocked.
I don't have another AR to swap parts with and narrow down the problem. Jard has offered to replace the trigger, as has midwayusa.com.
My question is, should i try another Jard, (possibly the adjustable that their "main tech guy" recommended) or another brand altogether? I'm considering the JP Enterprises single stage because it's around the same price point, midway has it in stock, and I'm concerned about another Jard, since their "main tech guy" said their triggers were supposed to allow switching to "safe" without the hammer cocked. (That doesn't seem right to me)
I'm also considering a self-contained unit, because it seems to me that if the hammer pin hole is slightly off, I won't have to worry about independent parts aligning properly.
Again, sorry for bringing back such an old thread. Thanks in advance for any advice.