I've always wanted to purchase some sort of belt fed machine gun. I'm wondering if, in this economy, are prices on MGs dropping? Is now a good time to think about picking one up?
Thoughts/speculations?
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I've always wanted to purchase some sort of belt fed machine gun. I'm wondering if, in this economy, are prices on MGs dropping? Is now a good time to think about picking one up?
Thoughts/speculations?
Any time you introduce an artificial condition to a market, prices will not reflect rational market conditions.
To speculate that prices will drop while demand increases, would be foolish, in my opinion.
M_P
Obviously there is a fixed stock of them so they should go up in value in the long run.
I have no hard data, but just eyeballing subguns.com and other common MG sales boards over the last year or so, it "seems" like prices have at least flattened out and maybe even dropped a small amount, presumably due to the economy and MG owners losing their jobs, losing money on other investments, etc. and having to liquidate them.
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i've sort of been looking at M16s recently, and it does seem like prices have dropped a little. demand for these things will never die, so they likely to stay prohibitively expensive for as long as they're legal.. however, just like ALL things gun related- people did a lot of buying they couldn't afford in the last year, and are trying to sell. gun broker is flooded with all the stuff you couldnt find in the last year, and nobody is buying at inflated prices. this means prices are going to fall- on everything. the people that bought m16s and mp5s and so forth are in no better shape than anyone else, and those prices will fall, too, as people desperately try to avoid forclosure. in fact, as i type this, seems to me machineguns just might go down substantially- people who could afford a $15k m16 a few months ago aren't elligeable for the Obamanation's forclosure prevention program, most likely.
just might be gettin me a m16 sometime soon... :)
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i'm not really into the MP5 either.. i put a few magazines through one a few months ago and wasn't really impressed. in fairness, a few magazines sure as shit isn't enough to conclude anything, but i don't have any complaints about an FA M4... so why pay more for something that may or may not give me jollies?
i found muzzle control to be a pain in the ass, and kept mentally/reflexively reaching for a VFG that wasn't there.. didn't care for the LOP, and, naturally, the controls were alien to me. altogether, i'd much rather pay half as much for an M4/M16. ammo sure is cheaper, though.
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If I could afford a good full-auto lower I'd be all over it. I can't be a true Mall Ninja until I have one to go with the rest of my kit.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting an mg of one type or another "just because." If you can afford it and want it, buy one. I just meant that someone might want an MP5 because the "cool special ops guys" have 'em, so I want one too. Nothing wrong with that either. :o
i think the fact of the matter is this applies to absolutely everyone, to some degree or another. even the "cool special ops guys" themselves.
we all love HSLD gear.. it's damn fun.
i think i'm a pretty well-grounded and level-headed guy. i don't tell war-stories, i don't know what color the boathouse is at Hereford. but you should see me hunting- might as well be heading up the Nung to pay a visit to Col. Kurtz. why? it's fun. camo'd up, ammo'd up, enough food to last a week, 20 miles from the nearest road... with the intent to kill.
a buck.
would i take a FA M4 if i had one? sheeeit... would there be any other option, at that point?
I think there has been a drop in the collectible firearms market in general. If you have money, there probably won't be a better time than now to pick up something NFA.
not trying to derail this thread but....
the people do. the .gov can have em, so we should be able to as well. i believe that not being able to easily procure a full auto weapon is an infringement on my second amendment right.
I should be able to go down to my local gun store, and walk out with a fully automatic, suppressed, short barreled m16 w/ stand alone m203 and HE rounds with nothing more then a background check to make sure im not a felon.
why? because the power should be in the hands of the people.
i guess im a little radical ;)
yea, you are. furthermore, in my opinion, the background check itself is an infringement. that's a condition put upon a RIGHT- you must do this, or you get no guns! bullshit.
i'm not even opposed to "felons" owning guns. call me naive, call me a country boy who doesn't see what the city-streetz is like, but once you do your time, you need to get all your RIGHTS restored. if someone isn't safe enough to buy a gun, they're not safe enough to be on the street. if they're safe enough to be on the street, they're safe enough to own an arsenal of machineguns.
because.... get this.... if you're on the street, you can get a gun, and cant any laws keep that from happening.
rather than derail this mother any more, perhaps the conversation should be taken here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33928
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I've heard a LEO say that Police agencies can get new mg's for around $1,000. I know I would sure love to have a new Colt M4, HK 416, or MP5 for that price. That kind of price tag is a lot closer to what I can afford than $10-$20k.
Edited to add: For the record, I wasn't trying to stir the pot by my comment. If I could afford to, I would definitely have more tactical gear. Not necessarily because I really need such gear, but it'd be nice to have "just in case." Hopefully, I'll be a LEO by next year, so I technically could use such gear for my career FWIW.
Just curious so if you guys could just humor me one this... I see a lot of A1 type auto lowers and only a few newer ones(A2/A3?).
What are your laws regarding M16s?
From what I understand, older ones can be transferred to civis? So how do some get their hands one the newer ones like a auto Bushy lower, a Noveske or an HK?
Lastly, what are your laws regarding civis and US property marked Colts both old and new?
Gunz, bkb, Goodtimes, ZDL, you have all now been listed as enemies of the state by Eric Holder. Please get ready for a full cavity search.
We can only own "registered, transferable" machinegun receivers built before 1986... anything new- noveske, bushmaster, KAC, etc, is either unobtainable or you have to get certification to have them as demonstration models... under the pretense that they exist to show government agencies your product.
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I've always wondered if there is some back door way we could get the registry opened up again. Like attach it to some "gun safety" legislation kind of like how it became legal to buy ammo through the internet.
It would fit the Obama mindset of regerestering firearms since the ATF must approve and register the ownership of FA anyhow.
Never going to happen. The machinegun moratorium itself got passed as an amendment to the "Firearms Owners Protection Act" in 1986 that give us a safe harbor for transporting guns interstate if we pass through communist states like New Jersey where we would otherwise be breaking state law. It was added as a "compromise."
By the way, when was it ever NOT legal to buy ammo via the internet?
HK makes good shit- its expensive, prohibitively, even.. but good.
i carried a USP45 for a couple years, put about 8,000 rounds through it.. LOVED that gun. its basically the only .45 i feel like i shot really well. and i didn't pay too much for it- got it on some distributer special for $600. when i started looking at going full-size again, i wanted another one- i'd pay $600, but not $850... so scratch that.
The importance of "needing" something is relative to one's situation. Nobody really needs a spare tire until they get a flat.
I want a fully-automatic firearm (it's not a weapon) because I enjoy shooting F/A and I can still obtain one. Besides, waiting to obtain one until you are in a situation when you "need" one may be too late. JM2CW.
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ZDL-I am going to need you to speak with my wife. I don't "need" an MG, but I do feel they make excellent investments and should be considered as a percentage of a portfolio. So, I need you to take the heat for me while I eventually enjoy the fun of the gun! Strictly for investment purposes, mind you.:p
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A SMG is not supposed to be an assault rifle and it sure as hell ain't a pistol. Your statement is about like me dismissing the M-16 because I can't put it in my pocket like I can a Glock.
Assault rifles do things no SMG or handgun can do.
SMGs do things no assault rifle or handgun can do.
Handguns do things no assault rifle or SMG can do.
An experienced person knows what those things are and selects the most appropriate tool for the job at hand.
I think prices from private sellers have dipped a bit since people need money for other things. One guy I know of has sold off almost his entire collection of NFA stuff (SBR's, suppressors, and select fire guns). I've also seen some Class III shops actually seek to get a premium in this market especially in the months following the election. There's been a lot of activity with NFA transfers.
I've considered getting a few things but it's really hard for me to justify tying up $20K - $30K in select fire guns. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy some of the NFA items but the select fire guns are relatively expensive. $12K-$13K for a grease gun (which have a slow rate of fire for a subgun but are fun) just stings. Perhaps if I had Warren Buffett's money I wouldn't care as much, but I don't so I do. -The thing I'm waiting to see is whether inflation will kick in for the regular economy and what it will do to the NFA market.