Is the EMOD superior to the CTR and should I replace my CTR's?
I utilize Magpul CTR's because at the shortest length it makes my weapon's signature much smaller than any other stock I've used.
Is it worth swapping them out?
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Is the EMOD superior to the CTR and should I replace my CTR's?
I utilize Magpul CTR's because at the shortest length it makes my weapon's signature much smaller than any other stock I've used.
Is it worth swapping them out?
I run the EMOD, I like it.
i upgraded from a moe to a emod. the emod balances out my weapon better, and it has storage capacity. i love my emod.
Depends on what you're looking for. For weight, and compactness I prefer the CTR. If you're going for length, storage, cheekweld, and not concerned with weight, then go with the Emod. I own both, and they are both good stocks for particular applications.
It seems that the design of the EMOD would facilitate shouldering the weapon faster, is this the case?
Is the inch difference that much more in regards to CQB work?
Mine is mounted on a recce carbine. I like the cheekweld it provides, as well as the ease of using a off-hand shoulder hold. For CQB movements I find that position 1 is perfect.
Have you ruled out the ACS?
The EMOD is the best telescoping stock I've used, followed by the ACS. Both are way ahead of the CTR (which, along with the UBR, I find to be tremendously overrated).
before this conversation continues, it should be pointed out that they're not really comparable... so to say that one is, in general, better than the other is sort of silly. they're different kinds of stock for different kinds of weapons and different kinds of shooters.
the questions you should be asking is "why do i want a different stock, and whats the proper stock for me and my weapon?"
How are they not comparable, they provide the same function? But I agree rephrasing my question would be better. But we are comparing apples to apples, so the question is nowhere near silly.
Is the EMOD equally suited for CQB, as compared with the CTR. I am looking for a stock that provides a good cheek weld as well as functionable for close quarters work. I've read the EMOD was the only stock that pass a "TEST" by the U.S. Marine Corps, anyone have a link to that info? Does the EMOD "wobble" or make noise, sound or lack thereof is an issue as well.
we might be comparing apples to apples, but we're comparing Honey Crisp to Braeburn- which is the better apple? totally depends on the application and consumer.
the CTR is a light weight, rattle-free, no-storage alternative to the M4 stock. from a balance perspective, it's better suited for light-weight weapons with centered gravity.
the EMOD is a heavier stock with storage designed to provide a wider cheekweld. since not all shooter benefit from a wide ass cheekweld, you need to find out if YOU do- some people's jaws are too wide and/or cheekbones are too low to get a good weld from them. from a balance perspective, they're best suited for weapons with a gravity center that's forward of the receiver- heavier handguards or weapons with a lot of shit hanging off the front.
you can "compare" them, but not in the sense that one may be GENERALLY better than the other. one can only be better suited than the other for a specific application.
to get help with which stock is best for your very specific needs, i suggest telling us about your weapon and what you do with it.
Short answer? YES!
The Emod rocks. It's shit hot. The CTR is just another stock. Cool aesthetics but ordinary cheek weld. Magpul never did the battery tube add on accessory for the CTR, and that would have made it more competitive as the cheek weld would be there.
The Emod combines the Crane length and cheek weld, with built in swivels, an ergonomic toe angle, and a watertight storage side compartment.
Last and best the price is nearly half the LMT / Crane.
I like the strike plate on the EMOD.
Is an apple better than an orange?
ETA: I have two EMODs and a CTR. They serve different purposes.
Emod v. CTR???
I'm waiting for the Emod v. ACS comparison....
Completely different applications. A Ferrari F50 and a Honda Civic are both cars, but not comparable. Though they both do the same basic functions.
I do not believe the CTR was meant to be a world beater. I believe it was meant to replace the enhanced M4 stock, and provide rock solid lock-up with built-in QD sling capability with a rubber pad for better adhesion to your shoulder/armor.
The EMOD offers the rubber pad, various storage capability, and QD sling mounting. I do not believe that the EMOD locks-up like the CTR, at least not on the units I shouldered. Furthermore, I have never stored batteries, or anything else in my various SOPMOD stocks, TD grips, or MIAD grips so I can't see the storage on the EMOD as beneficial.
Now, should you replace your CTR's with EMOD's? Only you can answer that question, not any one of us.
If you don't need storage, like I don't, then the CTR's do everything the EMOD does plus lock-up tighter. Further, they are already paid for...
I run a CTR on my 10.5 SBR and an EMOD on my 16" Middy.
Both are quality stocks. I run them on their respective rifles for the balance and handling they provide to each.
I agree it's not an even comparison. The EMOD and ACS are much closer. Of those two I personally prefer the design of the EMOD more, but it's just personal preference, and again both are very nice.
Price wise the CTR is less $$$ than the EMOD, and the EMOD is less $$$ than the ACS.
I would suggest that you try them side by side before making any decisions.
-RD62
The CTR rubber pad is HARD and not as sticky as Vltor's Emod [almost slick], and the cheek weld is a good idea unless you have a gas mask which may situationally dictate the stock choice.
So to me they don't do the same job nearly as well.
I will admit the CTR has it's place on small guns for concealment like 7.5" guns on low threat area PSD's but if you don't have to hide the gun the Vltor is going to do a better job of everything, and it passed the Marine drop tests I hear- the only stock to do that.
$35 more than the CTR with pad... Done deal. And you get a cool metal tab to buttstroke zombies with! why not?
Vltor Emod 14.5 oz
CTR: 8.8 oz (can't recall if this includes rubber buttpad)
Vltor Clubfoot: 8.5 oz
Rubber buttpad for Clubfoot: 3.6 oz
LMT SOPMOD stock, Gen I 11.1 oz
I have and use both on my guns. If you are looking for light weight, stick with the CTR. If you want a better checkweld go with the EMOD. I greatly prefer the emod due to the cheekweld it provides and I love the angle cut of the toe of the stock (makes the gun feel like it rolls into position).
Emod kicks ass, and I have one on my BCM middy. That being said my new Colt 6920 will wear a CTR when I get some extra cash because I'm going for a lighter weight carbine with that one.
Read the original premise of the thread. The guy already owns the CTR's, and wants to know if the additional $119.00 expense is worth it. RIF.
So he has $90 in to the CTR and you are recommending that he spend another $120?? Hmm, it doesn't sound like it makes economic sense to me UNLESS he needs to have the storage that the EMOD provides. I never would, so if the CTR was already on my carbines, it would be absolutely and completely stupid to sink another $120 in to a stock that MIGHT have a softer recoil pad. BTW, is the CTR pad harder than the plastic of the enhanced M4 -- hmm???
Now, if you discount the fact that maybe we are talking about buying an EMOD or a CTR and don't own either yet, it still boils down to storage for me. Maybe storage and a softer recoil pad on a 5.56 is important to you -- it's not for me, and everyone else must decide on their own.
I think the LMT SOPMOD is the best choice on my guns, and I think it feels more natural than all the other stocks I've used. I still never use the storage tubes.
Lastly, I've never cared for the gaps on the cheekweld of Vltor stocks. I wear facial hear quite often, and with only minor tugs so far, I'd hate to get a beard hair caught up - ever.
YMMV, etc, etc, etc.
I run an EMod on my POF, because it's nose-heavy. Use a clubfoot modstock on my M&P15T. I like Vltor. :D
I'm not an owner of an Emod (yet) but I do run CTRs on two carbines from what I can see it breaks down this way
- the CTR is basically an M4 stock with a pad, QD lugs, and a position lock. it's an improvement but it doesn't change the basic function and is about the same weight.
- the Emod offers an improved cheekweld, heavier weight, increased LOP, waterproof storage, QD lugs, and a thicker pad with a metal strike plate.
they aren't very much alike except that they both are adjustable. to ask which is "better" ignores their designed purpose so to this question, you have to ask the question, "what do you want it for?", as several here have already done.
to me, the real question would be, "what's "better", an Emod or ACS?", as they seem to be designed for a similar purpose...
I owned a CTR and sold it for my current emod. I feel the emod is superior for my LMT w/ rail,vfg and light hanging off of it because of balance.
I feel the ctr is superior for my lightweight build w/ nothing hanging off of it, so I purchased another CTR for that particular rifle.
I also have a gen 2 LMT stock w/ a caa stock saddle and sog buttpad for a mil-spec build that my wife absolutely loves.
It's all in preference. If you have a buddy with an emod get him to let you try it out first, or go to one of the group shoots, try to play before you pay. Before you get rid of a perfectly good stock.
But if you decide to sell your CTR cheap PM me first. :D
If hes buying a replacement that makes it a harder sell. The CTR is a stock. It's a good looking one, but it doesn't offer what the EMOD offers in useability.
The LMT is inferior. I have one ran it for years, but human chests are not flat unless you're in some odd shape from not working out. Anatomically changing the toe angle is a better idea. Storage isn't important to me, but the cheek weld is and the EMOD has it. It also has built in QD swivel points for free. Their snap open watertight compartment is the only one I could imagine getting a battery from on an urban foot patrol were I to need one. These things do matter however small they may be.
The $125 beats the hell out of $175+$50 for an LMT and a QD swivel bolt on accessory.
The new SOPMOD stocks have a built-in QD cup. Most vendors are clearing out their old SOPMOD's b/c of this...
Your other points are valid, just not important to me. We all have different requirements.
The LMT SOPMOD is inferior based on your criteria. Which again, doesn't make you less right, or wrong. Just your criteria and your opinion. We all have one.
The bottom line is the CTR and EMOD are not in equivalent planes. They serve different purposes for different people.
Only an individual can make the call.
Since you are considering the EMOD, you should also take a look at the LMT SOPMOD. As stated it has improved cheekweld, watertight storage, and QD point (on latest version).
I switched over from EMOD to SOPMOD and never looked back.
You can find them used for around $135 (old version) and $165 (new version with QD)
I prefer the SOPMOD to me that is a better comparison to the EMOD. I actually like the balance it adds to Mono railed rifles... If you want a light rifle I would stick with what you have and spend the cash on ammo.
I like the smaller and lighter CTR
Weapon balance has something do with it too. The heavier Emod will balance out a nose heavy carbine, like a 16 in mid-length with suppressor and light installed. The CTR will give better balance on a light weight SBR.
I keep switching back and forth. Started with the MOE, and then wanted to try out the EMOD because I figured it would help with the balance of the 12" rail I had. Well, I switched the 12" for a 7" (actually just took a hacksaw to it) and switched back to the MOE. I feel the MOE fits into my shoulder better and offers an adequate cheekweld. I never store anything on my gun, it's heavy enough as it is. I'm all about weight now, so anything I can shave off and still have my gun do everything I need it to is what I want. The EMOD is a great stock, but not for beards, or for weight.
I find the extra bulk of storage stocks to get in the way of body armor. I wouldn't trade easy of switching from left to right hand shooting for a couple of extra batteries that you don't need to be carrying around. CTR is the way to go.
Didn't know that. Well then it's a close call, I'd still say the toe angle of the EMod makes it better. The storage compartment on the Emod is better, it did pass Marine drop tests (the only stock from what I heard to do that), so if you actually have to ever buttstroke anyone it's the way to go, and it has the metal plate for doing that.
I have an LMT on my rifle right now, a second tour stock, so I've preffered it I just think the Emod has a lot of improvements the LMT could have and a cheaper price tag too.
The CTR is better than std Colt M4type 2 waffle, no doubt, and that's what I'd compare it to, and leave the LMT and Emod in a different category.
CTR is better than colt IMO as its buttpad closes the hole so sand doesn't get in, the stock doesn't wobble, and it looks better <that being completely aesthetic but meaningful to everyone with eyes which includes all of us.