Only matters if you care what the rollmark looks like.
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Only matters if you care what the rollmark looks like.
Lowers are not lowers. A Model 1 Sales lower, or DPMS, is not the same as a Colt, LMT, Noveske, or DD lower. Only Colt has the TDP and when others build it gets into tolerance stacking, or, in the case of a very few, an even better product.
KellyTTE- Doesn't contradict my statement. Flagellate myself with an MS2? Why would I do that? A VCAS is a much better product(for me) and I have several at hand. Much more convenient.
So, what you are saying is that a Model 1 Sales lower is just as good as a Colt, LMT, Noveske, or DD? Aren't they more reliable manufacturers that take the time to ensure their products are as close to the TDP, or better, as possible?
When you have a gentleman who's round counts are in the millions, and he says 'doesn't mean shit, its a device to hold parts', I listen. Sure there are obviously inferior lowers (cast, whatever), but by and large, in a time of CAD, CAE & CNC there are plenty of good lowers out there to be had.
Agree, don't agree, whatever, but there's a reason he says what he says.
Kelly- Not knocking Sinister. Much respect and have PM'd him with questions.
But, what you are saying is lowers are not all the same. Your words(paraphrasing).
If you had the choice of DPMS or Colt, which would you pick? The TDP is a baseline and I'm going to go with the Colt. Wouldn't you?
I'm not trying to argue with you but I feel it is important for those that are new to AR's to let them know that all are NOT equal.
Seriously, wouldn't you pick several other lowers over DPMS?
i would pick lowers over DPMS because I do have at least that much vanity... but the fact of the matter is, a DPMS lower really isn't any more likely to be out of spec than just about any other manfr. in fact, they're less likely to be out of spec than a lot of these beloved small-batch receivers, because of their size- the bigger the company, the better the machinery, the more consistent the machining of parts like receivers.
it's other parts that have a lot of room for error that these companies **** up- like barrels and small parts, that don't get produced on large 3 or 5 axis CNCs.
it's just not that easy to screw up... everyone uses CNC for receivers, and everyone follows basically the same prints
I'm saying that you're overthinking the issue.
Assuming, that I had a choice between a stripped DPMS lower and a Colt stripped lower, I'd spend the money on the DPMS, build it with a quality lpk (LMT, BCM) and use the saved money for something like training or a optic that works.
It holds parts, nothing more.
I can also state the fact that lowers "have a name" on them. I had a cast DPMS lower that I pumped untold thousands through(still going strong with him), traded the whole gun to a buddy for a full size Colt that I wanted-it was more of the configurations that we wanted to have. I have the Stop Sgn lower and a forged DPMS-nothing wrong with them.
This is why I bought a DPMS instead of another brand. I knew the lower doesn't make a difference in the quality of your build.So long as the other parts are quality part you'll have a quality build regardless of the lower you used.I am correct on this assumption ?